888 seems more difficult than Pokerstars at NL.02/.01

Serbianbeauty · Mar 26, 2019

I opened account at pokerstars and 888poker. I read online that most people seem think pokerstars cash games more difficult that 888, but I am finding 888 more difficult at the lowest NL.02/.01 level. Seems easier to find more risky players playing more questionable hands at pokerstars than 888. Am I in minority thinking this?

619Leafs · Mar 26, 2019

To be quite honest both are hard it just depends on luck of the draw.

Polytarp · Mar 26, 2019

You will find players at poker stars that will make questionable calls more frequently just due to the larger number of players online. Like a blackjack deck, if you play from a two deck game (888) your sample size will usually have a smaller amount of risky players vs PStars which is more of an 8 deck game and subject to the greater possibility of more risky players at your table than not.:captain:

Poker Orifice · Mar 26, 2019

I haven't played on either in years BUT when I did, 888poker always had the softest tables of all the sites. 10yrs. ago I played 2nl & 5nl tables on there, back when you could still play more than 6tables (or whatever their limit is now). I would play 20 tables of 2nl and my winrate was astronomical, averaging above 50bb/100 hands. (tens of thousands of hands sample size). I recall that members on here didn't believe me... but those same members hadn't tried playing on there. The site was ridiculously soft. I can't see that it would be tougher than Stars today.

I'm sure some others will give you an accurate account of the state of the micro games on there these days. I'm guessing that 888 is still the softest.

OP, how big of a sample size are we talking about here? over 10,000 hands?

LanaRhoades · Mar 26, 2019

I completly agree with you.I lost 7$ playing cash games yesterday and I `m nervous a lot.

chronical · Mar 27, 2019

"pokerstars cash games more difficult that 888" - true from personal exp. #1
" I'm guessing that 888 is still the softest" - true from personal exp. #2

Serbianbeauty · Mar 27, 2019

Polytarp said:
You will find players at Poker Stars that will make questionable calls more frequently just due to the larger number of players online. Like a blackjack deck, if you play from a two deck game (888) your sample size will usually have a smaller amount of risky players vs PStars which is more of an 8 deck game and subject to the greater possibility of more risky players at your table than not.:captain:

That is what I was thinking. Sometimes at 888, every table is full players folding nearly every hand. At pokerstars, I just have to view different tables or sit/watch while waiting for my big blind to find right table with more aggressive players that like to play many hands.

Maybe certain times of day are better or maybe weekends (to find looser players) when people are not working, but I am not sure yet?

Serbianbeauty · Mar 27, 2019

619Leafs said:
To be quite honest both are hard it just depends on luck of the draw.

Did you find somewhere that you like to play better than these two sites?

Serbianbeauty · Mar 27, 2019

Poker Orifice said:
I haven't played on either in years BUT when I did, 888poker always had the softest tables of all the sites. 10yrs. ago I played 2nl & 5nl tables on there, back when you could still play more than 6tables (or whatever their limit is now). I would play 20 tables of 2nl and my winrate was astronomical, averaging above 50bb/100 hands. (tens of thousands of hands sample size). I recall that members on here didn't believe me... but those same members hadn't tried playing on there. The site was ridiculously soft. I can't see that it would be tougher than Stars today.

I'm sure some others will give you an accurate account of the state of the micro games on there these days. I'm guessing that 888 is still the softest.

OP, how big of a sample size are we talking about here? over 10,000 hands?

This is what I kept reading online which is why I opened both accounts and thought 888 would be easier. I have been playing nearly every day for about a month, but I am sure how how many hands that is (not sure how to find that out). I am positive in both accounts, so I am not losing money but only making a little, then some is from the freerolls tournaments also on both sites with small wins like .30, .45, etc.

Serbianbeauty · Mar 27, 2019

LanaRhoades said:
I completly agree with you.I lost 7$ playing cash games yesterday and I `m nervous a lot.

Last week, I tilted and got nervous and had to stop playing cash games for two days. I was playing tight and did not call a .04 raise after the flop with a pocket eights with 3 others in the hand. Then turn and river were both 8's. Missed opportunity for cheap price. Then I had maybe 40 hands that I did not play until I got AK suited on my small blind. Everyone was out except me and big blind. Flop was AA5. I went all in after the turn which gave me a A-flush draw and 3-A's (maybe $1.78 at that point), and he called. I got the A-flush, but he had the pair of 5's on his big blind for full house.
I'm over it now, but I went to google then for some tilt knowledge and reading. So at least I got something out of the experience.

Poker Orifice · Mar 27, 2019

Serbianbeauty said:
Last week, I tilted and got nervous and had to stop playing cash games for two days. I was playing tight and did not call a .04 raise after the flop with a pocket eights with 3 others in the hand. Then turn and river were both 8's. Missed opportunity for cheap price. Then I had maybe 40 hands that I did not play until I got AK suited on my small blind. Everyone was out except me and big blind. Flop was AA5. I went all in after the turn which gave me a A-flush draw and 3-A's (maybe $1.78 at that point), and he called. I got the A-flush, but he had the pair of 5's on his big blind for full house.
I'm over it now, but I went to google then for some tilt knowledge and reading. So at least I got something out of the experience.

Honestly it sounds like you're just getting started. ie. losing to a flopped fullhouse is completely standard... nothing to tilt over or even think about for more than 1 minute after the hand has been played.
Also, if folding the 88 at a certain point (the flop in this case) seemed to be the correct move given the circumstances at THAT EXACT MOMENT In TIME... then 'let it go'.... there's absolutely no sense in thinking "What if" "If only"... because of how some cards miraculously fell on the turn & river AFTER you've folded. I mean WHAT WERE THE odds of this happening.... and were you in a position to NEED that to happen to be ahead in the hand?? (it must've seemed like it, & therefore you folded).
IF you are making the correct move at the time, based on all the information you have at that time, this is all you can do. Dwelling on it after because of how some cards fell is a complete waste of your time (it definitely won't help you to become a better player).

hope that helped you a bit

Serbianbeauty · Mar 28, 2019

I know and understand what saying, at least I recognized what was happening and left instead playing angry and losing lots more. Small steps I guess.

I did have best finish today in $3000freeroll on 888 to #326 out of #7900 which was $1.80. I have been at least getting in money every time recently on both pokerstars and 888 freerolls, but only .30 on 888 as I could not get under #1099 until today. Just learning and building bankroll little by little.

Poker Orifice said:
Honestly it sounds like you're just getting started. ie. losing to a flopped fullhouse is completely standard... nothing to tilt over or even think about for more than 1 minute after the hand has been played.
Also, if folding the 88 at a certain point (the flop in this case) seemed to be the correct move given the circumstances at THAT EXACT MOMENT In TIME... then 'let it go'.... there's absolutely no sense in thinking "What if" "If only"... because of how some cards miraculously fell on the turn & river AFTER you've folded. I mean WHAT WERE THE ODDS of this happening.... and were you in a position to NEED that to happen to be ahead in the hand?? (it must've seemed like it, & therefore you folded).
IF you are making the correct move at the time, based on all the information you have at that time, this is all you can do. Dwelling on it after because of how some cards fell is a complete waste of your time (it definitely won't help you to become a better player).

hope that helped you a bit

EarnDAStack · Mar 28, 2019

To be honest I've found the opposite to be true. Even at 0.01/0.02 on Pokerstars I've found some really strong players and I find that generally the players to flop and average pot are significantly smaller on Stars thus meaning people are playing tighter and less consistently going to get their money in the middle. Granted I do have a fairly small sample size but I have a much higher win rate on 888 and I've found it much easier to find tables with lots of fish on them as players to the flop regularly gets into the high 35% range and average pots can get up to $0.5 which is half the buy in at the limit.

I'm really happy that I moved most of my cash game play over to 888, I feel like my edge is much larger and that's saying something as I only started working to improve my game relatively recently!

Good luck on whatever site you decide to play!

Serbianbeauty · Mar 29, 2019

EarnDAStack said:
To be honest I've found the opposite to be true. Even at 0.01/0.02 on Pokerstars I've found some really strong players and I find that generally the players to flop and average pot are significantly smaller on Stars thus meaning people are playing tighter and less consistently going to get their money in the middle. Granted I do have a fairly small sample size but I have a much higher win rate on 888 and I've found it much easier to find tables with lots of fish on them as players to the flop regularly gets into the high 35% range and average pots can get up to $0.5 which is half the buy in at the limit.

I'm really happy that I moved most of my cash game play over to 888, I feel like my edge is much larger and that's saying something as I only started working to improve my game relatively recently!

Good luck on whatever site you decide to play!

I did notice the higher percentages on 888, but maybe by the time I get to the table those high percentage players have left

. But I did have my best session yesterday on NL .02/.01 at 888 more than doubling my $2 buy-in, so maybe my opinion will change over the long term on which is easier to make money.

EarnDAStack · Mar 30, 2019

Serbianbeauty said:
I did notice the higher percentages on 888, but maybe by the time I get to the table those high percentage players have left . But I did have my best session yesterday on NL .02/.01 at 888 more than doubling my $2 buy-in, so maybe my opinion will change over the long term on which is easier to make money.

Yeah I’ll generally watch a table I’m planning on sitting in on for a few hands before I finally do. Ideally you’ll want to know who the fish is before you sit down, this also gives you a general idea of how the other players at the table play and give you the chance to steal the seat to the left of the biggest fish at the table!

KristaK · Mar 30, 2019

Serbianbeauty said:
I opened account at pokerstars and 888poker. I read online that most people seem think pokerstars cash games more difficult that 888, but I am finding 888 more difficult at the lowest NL.02/.01 level. Seems easier to find more risky players playing more questionable hands at pokerstars than 888. Am I in minority thinking this?

hi hi
i happy i no only one plays tiny stakes lol
i find PokerStars the toughest players at my (tiny) stakes than any of the other places i play at (888, partypoker, ACR, BOL)
888 seems most welcoming for us small buy-ins people, they have many more events in the $0.01-0.50 area than the others

Serbianbeauty · Apr 16, 2019

KristaK said:
hi hi
i happy i no only one plays tiny stakes lol
i find PokerStars the toughest players at my (tiny) stakes than any of the other places i play at (888, PartyPoker, ACR, BOL)
888 seems most welcoming for us small buy-ins people, they have many more events in the $0.01-0.50 area than the others

I joined party poker and used my $30 free spins (only made $22 though, but at least doubled my deposit), but I am having issues logging in again with software problems so haven't played any cash games there yet. I plan on joining ACR also once I become CCfreeroll club member, since they have freeroll everyday on ACR.
How do you like those 4 sites in comparison: Pokerstars, 888, PartyPoker, ACR.

KristaK · Apr 16, 2019

Serbianbeauty said:
I joined Party Poker and used my $30 free spins (only made $22 though, but at least doubled my deposit), but I am having issues logging in again with software problems so haven't played any cash games there yet. I plan on joining ACR also once I become CCfreeroll club member, since they have freeroll everyday on ACR.
How do you like those 4 sites in comparison: Pokerstars, 888, PartyPoker, ACR.

hi hi that's hard to answer
1. Where do i play mos events? ACR... the CC freerolls and the twitch/radio show private daily tourneys
2. Best software? Poker Stars for sure
3. Easiest to find a game? PokerStars for sure most traffic of all
4. Best for micro stakes players? 888 has many events for minimal buy-in 0.01-1.00$
5. Best for Canadians. 888 they actively encourage, welcome and try to attract Canadians
6. Best customer support? PokerStars, they most professional of all and treat me as a customer without the attitude of many places... "our site, our rules, take it or f off"
7. Best perks for micro player? PokerStars and 888, daily free spins get tickets & prizes

Serbianbeauty · Apr 17, 2019

KristaK said:
hi hi that's hard to answer
1. Where do i play mos events? ACR... the CC freerolls and the twitch/radio show private daily tourneys
2. Best software? Poker Stars for sure
3. Easiest to find a game? PokerStars for sure most traffic of all
4. Best for micro stakes players? 888 has many events for minimal buy-in 0.01-1.00$
5. Best for Canadians. 888 they actively encourage, welcome and try to attract Canadians
6. Best customer support? PokerStars, they most professional of all and treat me as a customer without the attitude of many places... "our site, our rules, take it or f off"
7. Best perks for micro player? PokerStars and 888, daily free spins get tickets & prizes

Well, then I think I will still move with joining ACR also based on what you mentioned. I did not see you mention Party Poker. Do you play there the least amount? Any advantages to playing at PP that you noticed? Where do you play most of your cash games or maybe where you find you do the best in cash games in our tiny stakes?

KristaK · Apr 17, 2019

Serbianbeauty said:
Well, then I think I will still move with joining ACR also based on what you mentioned. I did not see you mention Party Poker. Do you play there the least amount? Any advantages to playing at PP that you noticed? Where do you play most of your cash games or maybe where you find you do the best in cash games in our tiny stakes?

hi hi
yes ACR a must for the freerolls,
best tiny stakes place is 888 for sure, for me going to school and can just play evenings (i west coast), they have fewer events in those times...
i no like PartyPoker, software is out of date, their support people are like Motor Vehicle bureaucrats
i play mostly on either ACR, cause i am usually there already due to a freeroll, or play PokerStars which has any game i wish play at any time - most options & best software

where i do the best? well strangely enough BetOnLine, where i have most & largest wins
(playin SitnGos 6-8 on table)

DamocValentin · Jan 28, 2020

Nevere tryed 888. I thought PokerStars was the best. What you said sounds interesting and i think i will give it i try

Brandlad · Jan 28, 2020

I play only on 888 and I mostly play tourneys but because of the recent introduction of the Great hand tourney I play on 888 cash games as well. I play most up to 0.25-0.50 NL games and I do agree completely that We do take unnecessary risks in these lower limit tables.
I think it is because of the habit of the freeroll players trying micro limits with freeroll winnings.

fundiver199 · Jan 29, 2020

I have only played a few hands at 888 2NL tables, so I cant comment on, how soft they are in general. What is sure however is, that the rake is 60% higher than on PokerStars, and this will obviously make it more difficult to come out on top. In fact with the rake structure on 888 Poker, I dont really recommend the site for cash games below 10NL.

888 seems more difficult than Pokerstars at NL.02/.01

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