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i was looking at the 10k tourney 10+1 on ACR. I noticed the late reg is 5hrs long lol i think thats a bit much and ridicules.

whats your thoughts you guys like that
 
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Sure its a bit ridiculous but its the only way to have the big gtd tournies on there without risks of huge overlay.
 
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Sure its a bit ridiculous but its the only way to have the big gtd tournies on there without risks of huge overlay.

Pay more attention to the site and you will see that they NEVER have ANY overlay let alone a "huge" one.
Even the min cash tourney, the $0.55 $25 GTD I've never seen finish reg with under $33 in the pool. Usually it is 2-3x GTD.
It IS ridiculous, it IS unnecessary, and it's borderline FLAGRANT considering how few BBs the last 25% of reg time receives.

ACR says that everything they do is for the benefit of their customer base. The reality is everything they do is for the benefit of their bottom line. Granted, they are a business and should try to be profitable. But just be honest about your intentions and stop trying to suggest you are doing one thing when you're actually doing another.

NOTE: David Miller is NOT a part of their problem, he is part of their solution. He actually does try to work with players on what is going on.
 
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I didn't say they have any or huge overlays, but this is the reason why they have the long late registration period is so that they can offer a 10k gtd for 11$ entry. Otherwise with a standard 2 hour late reg you'd be lucky if that was a 5k gtd.

I have in fact seen overlays on some of their mtt's in the past, think back to their first 1 milly gtd it had like 250k overlay I do believe.

As for the bb's the late reg towards the end receive so what its the persons choice if they wish to enter at a big chip disadvantage. There mtt's actually get a lot of extra entries because people decide to jump in towards the end and maybe reenter a few times in hopes to build a stack and save themselves the initial 4.5hours of game play.

With mtt's you need the entrants to have good gtd's and you need the gtd to bring in the entrants so its a balancing situation to ensure you don't make the gtd too big and have overlay but still wanting to provide a gtd prizepool so that people will be interested in playing for it.
 
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On PS the late reg. last until the BB becomes 10% of your startstack.
I don't see why anybody would still reg. at that point, but there are still people who do it. But I'm actually pretty happy with that, since they give almost 'free' chips.
 
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ACR Late Registration

Agreed with Korneel; i think once you get past a few levels (i think 5 in this case) you start to run a disadvantage - of seeing less earlier hands, you also miss out on playing with some of the weaker players too.
 
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i understand y they have the long late reg, but that's the risk that should fall on the site. and players should once in awhile benefit but never do since they make extreme reg times. they make it so they have no risk and we have to play basically 2 tourneys thats only one tourney. hard enough avoiding the bad beats in a normal length tourney.

seems like the players suffer for there profits. how i feel anyways. does anyone know if pokerstars does this now also i remember when usa could play it wasnt like that
 
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Even at the Micro levels they have this Too late Registration; Unlimited re buys and is not nice for serious players.
I have defeated the same guy 3 times and at the fourth he got lucky. is a Bingo for players with money and ACR. :deal:
 
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Even at the Micro levels they have this Too late Registration; Unlimited re buys and is not nice for serious players.
I have defeated the same guy 3 times and at the fourth he got lucky. is a Bingo for players with money and ACR. :deal:

I think I agree with you. But in a rebuy tourney, I DEFINITELY turn the early rounds into a BINGO session just shoving practically ATC figuring I'm either running it up to where I can play real poker with a real stack or reentering.

But the fact that you can do this for 5 hours is lunacy!
 
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Excessive late reg would also increase variances.
 
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Even at the Micro levels they have this Too late Registration; Unlimited re buys and is not nice for serious players.
I have defeated the same guy 3 times and at the fourth he got lucky. is a Bingo for players with money and ACR. :deal:

BUT you've already tripled your stack so now you have him way more than covered this time when he finally doubles through you (& besides, you most likely haven't gotten it in as an 80/20 fav. on ALL of those 3 previous hands... have you?).

A 'serious' player? What exactly is that? Do you mean 'one who doesn't want to take unecessary gambles'? If so, nobody forces you to call off stacks or to re-shove allin vs. 'that guy' (that guy who gets lucky). So I don't see what the problem is? Actually it all seems positive to me ... you have donkeys giving away stacks. Gosh.. how terrible!

I admit that 5hrs. is a tad long for late reg. but as 'some' others have said, those players who are late regging are at a big disadvantage. I'd like to hope that by the 5hr. mark we're actually in the money or close to it.
 
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Excessive late reg would also increase variances.

Can you explain that to me?

The way I see it... you have players who are sitting with shortstacks. So we pick our spots, knowing when & where we'll be priced in to call it off & vs. who that is going to be more likely. So we adjust accordingly. How does this 'increase' variance? (just because more might be likely to be getting it in wider and more often, doesn't mean that we are or would need to).
 
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I think it's horrible myself, fine for some big GTD tourneys but they definitely get carried away
on most of their tourneys in my mind. give us fish some tourneys where we can end it in 3-5 hours
instead of just starting it after playing that long.
it's just silly in the micros to have to spend that amount of time for that amount of reward.
I want some real freezeouts but they don't know the meaning at most sites these days. JMO :D
 
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That's insane!!! These crazy long late reg times are killing MTT. Late reg should be 15 minutes, that's it, that's all. If you can't make it in time for the start of the tournament, you're not gonna play.
 
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Date: 6/25/2016 at ACR
$200 GTD $3.30 - 2 hr late registration - 101 entries - run time 4:22 - 1st $75.75 - start 14:15 EDT
$500 GTD $3.30 - 3 hr late registration - 307 entries - run time 7:13 - 1st $188.80 - start 12:00 EDT
$1500 GTD $3.30 - 5 hr late registration - 674 entries - run time 9:52 - 1st $380.13 - start 14:00 EDT

People prefer longer and larger tourneys.

One more, though a bit later on the same day:
$150 GTD $3.30 - no late registration - 50 entries - run time 2:55 - 1st $67.50 - start 19:25 EDT
 
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What would be the ideal "late registration time" do you all think? 15 mins? 30 mins? 1 hr? 2 hr? 5 hr? None? I think im leaning towards some type of late reg, but should be set to maybe some level increase, so it is consistent.
 
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an hour late i think is ideal, maybe 2-3 hour on some of the bigger ones. but anymore than 3 hours should be basically just the big sunday tourney.

Thats why im saying the site really only benefits there getting the guarantee met. and were playing hours for a small first place finish. when u add per hour what your making it starts to not make since in playing. some do but the smaller ones no. or make more tourneys freez out style for those who want to not play super long tourneys. IDK. I guess its hard to make all happy though
 
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Can someone that can play pokerstars tell me what there late reg looks like thees days? please?
 
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i really like the turbos in american cardroom or a feezeout. Im not a fan long late registration or people that are fish buy in more than twice. All-in with anything trying to hit a rush.
 
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i really like the turbos in american cardroom or a feezeout. Im not a fan long late registration or people that are fish buy in more than twice. All-in with anything trying to hit a rush.

I have never played a tournament where my desire and goal was to cash. Certainly if you're falling behind getting close to ITM your perspective and objectives may change. But early on if you don't have your sights on 1st or down to no more than maybe 3rd, why are you playing? It just doesn't seem profitable. The way structures USED to be, sure, it could make sense to grind often and work on bankroll management and building your bankroll by ensuring some profit as often as you can. But NOW since they ridiculously pay the bottom 25% anywhere from 0.5-1.5x buyin, it takes away from the money earned by those that finish in places that SHOULD be rewarded.
 
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I have never played a tournament where my desire and goal was to cash. Certainly if you're falling behind getting close to ITM your perspective and objectives may change. But early on if you don't have your sights on 1st or down to no more than maybe 3rd, why are you playing? It just doesn't seem profitable. The way structures USED to be, sure, it could make sense to grind often and work on bankroll management and building your bankroll by ensuring some profit as often as you can. But NOW since they ridiculously pay the bottom 25% anywhere from 0.5-1.5x buyin, it takes away from the money earned by those that finish in places that SHOULD be rewarded.

ya i agree on the payouts. The structure was much better before black friday not sure if the non usa are still better or if they changed also. hopefully oneday online poker becomes what it used to be but probably not
 
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That is pretty crazy, I've seen the affects of having late reg it just brings in more people playing the lottery, so it depends if your in a position to be calling their constant all ins and knocking them out or short stacked and playing the same game with them. but if you don't agree or like it then just don't play in them.
 
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ya i agree on the payouts. The structure was much better before black friday not sure if the non usa are still better or if they changed also. hopefully oneday online poker becomes what it used to be but probably not

In my first few months playing online, I played a $10+1 MTT that featured most likely over 8000 entrants. It had a good structure so it definitely took many HOURS to complete. But it was worth it, taking down over $11,000 for my efforts. Unless (1) US poker is "legalized" again and (2) it regains the popularity, to a certain extent, that it once had, I think we will NEVER again see these kinds of ROI possible.

On ACR, if I want to try to win that much in a tourney, I can't even look to the $1k CAGE, since that winner gets usually 7-8k at most. Not exactly the same ROI! ;)

Sure, there are these GTDs that they fuel from sattys, super sattys and every other promotional option. But you win the super satty (I almost did), you win the satty, you sit down thinking you have a legitimate shot at a pig payday (lmao delusional) and at least one jackass or two at the table decides he wants to put the entire table to the test for all their chips before the 2nd Level is even reached.
 
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I dont think people keep registering this long, just if the blinds are so long as the late reg, with 2 hours u are in a huge difference from who will gain something.
 
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I dont like that kind of tournament....
 
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