Carl Trooper
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absoluthamm
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Meh, it isn't back until you're playing with ROW, which you wouldn't be. Intrastate will amount to a couple hundred people being on at a time most likely. Which is the same reason that none of the other state-run online sites haven't boomed, too small of a player pool.
BluffMeAllIn
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just thought i would comment re cardchat also has their own news article about this:
https://www.cardschat.com/news/pokerstars-partners-with-morongo-and-la-card-rooms-2883
As hamm said however its difficult for the state-run sites to boom due to player pool, and basically people want traffic so will stay where the traffic is more often than not.
https://www.cardschat.com/news/pokerstars-partners-with-morongo-and-la-card-rooms-2883
As hamm said however its difficult for the state-run sites to boom due to player pool, and basically people want traffic so will stay where the traffic is more often than not.
dj11
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There is no stated reason any of the active States can not join a global pool of players. So in this case Stars could conceivably bring along its global pool just to sweeten the deal.
Of interest to me is how Morongo gets the headline along side the Card Rooms (the 3 mentioned are local to me). I have not been to Morongo, and have no idea of its size (biz wise), but the Commerce is the largest (sq ft) poker room in the world (apparently). The Bike is where I would prefer to play, and they are building a big new hotel. Hawaiian Gardens (last time I was there) was also getting ready to build a real structure. They have been running out of a weird Arabian/Indian temp tent-like structure that got stiff from a zillion coats of paint. They have great murals though.
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Of interest to me is how Morongo gets the headline along side the Card Rooms (the 3 mentioned are local to me). I have not been to Morongo, and have no idea of its size (biz wise), but the Commerce is the largest (sq ft) poker room in the world (apparently). The Bike is where I would prefer to play, and they are building a big new hotel. Hawaiian Gardens (last time I was there) was also getting ready to build a real structure. They have been running out of a weird Arabian/Indian temp tent-like structure that got stiff from a zillion coats of paint. They have great murals though.
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww!
JaxA
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California has a ton of people and a lot of poker players.
Pretty sure they will have way more players than the currently regulated states. That being said it will be cool to eventually play with ROW.
ckickenking
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Knew Pokerstar would find their way back in California. Pokerstar must have given up a lot to get the top tribal backing. Lets pray that online poker get legalize soon in Cali since I'm from there.
curtinsea
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I'll move to CA if this actually materializes. As a player, this is an ideal situation. Unfortunately, the reality is, this is going to kill any hopes of a bill passing this year.
The bills being debated in CA ring fence the state pretty securely. There will be no global player pools, nor even any compacting with other states. They are pretty adamant in CA of keeping it within CA.
Morongo getting the headlines is indicative of the power of the Tribes regarding gaming in CA (and other states for that matter). They need tribal support, and so they are maximizing the impact by highlighting it in this relationship.
Far from getting in. It's hopeful of course, but don't hold your breath.
Also, I wouldn't say they have the top tribal backing. In fact, they only have the backing of one band of one Tribe, and you can be sure every other Tribe in CA is lining up against them.
pokerstars is now actually OPPOSED to legislation on the table in CA. What was once nearly full agreement on a path forward is now back to full on fighting over how to move forward.
Unfortunately, this is one step forward and three steps back.
The bills being debated in CA ring fence the state pretty securely. There will be no global player pools, nor even any compacting with other states. They are pretty adamant in CA of keeping it within CA.
Morongo getting the headlines is indicative of the power of the Tribes regarding gaming in CA (and other states for that matter). They need tribal support, and so they are maximizing the impact by highlighting it in this relationship.
Far from getting in. It's hopeful of course, but don't hold your breath.
Also, I wouldn't say they have the top tribal backing. In fact, they only have the backing of one band of one Tribe, and you can be sure every other Tribe in CA is lining up against them.
pokerstars is now actually OPPOSED to legislation on the table in CA. What was once nearly full agreement on a path forward is now back to full on fighting over how to move forward.
Unfortunately, this is one step forward and three steps back.
dj11
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Please cite references for comments about Stars now opposing this.
Morongo is big in SoCal, lots of TV ads must work, and for sure they would play an important part in things, but other Tribes running their own casino's could easily be bigger in the casino biz state wide.
The Cardrooms are different. For the most part all they provide are card based games, poker generally being the largest of those games. Pai Gow and baccarat are fast up and comers at those rooms tho and perhaps they are more profitable than poker, I really don't know.
My guess is that the card rooms can see that under some circumstances they can support OLP and actually get more live bodies in the doors. I happen to think it could be under MOST circumstances it would be that way, but I seem to be in a minority.
If the government of Ca can keep the silly moralists at bay, there is no real downside for the state, and a potential large upside.
Morongo is big in SoCal, lots of TV ads must work, and for sure they would play an important part in things, but other Tribes running their own casino's could easily be bigger in the casino biz state wide.
The Cardrooms are different. For the most part all they provide are card based games, poker generally being the largest of those games. Pai Gow and baccarat are fast up and comers at those rooms tho and perhaps they are more profitable than poker, I really don't know.
My guess is that the card rooms can see that under some circumstances they can support OLP and actually get more live bodies in the doors. I happen to think it could be under MOST circumstances it would be that way, but I seem to be in a minority.
If the government of Ca can keep the silly moralists at bay, there is no real downside for the state, and a potential large upside.
curtinsea
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Both bills for the CA State Legislature contain 'bad actors' provisions that will keep Pokerstars from entering the market. Is it not obvious that Pokerstars opposes such language?
Sure, Pokerstars wants to see legislation pass, but not the legislation that has been thus far introduced. So if no amendment to the bills to remove the bad actors provisions gets added, the Pokerstars/Commerce/Bike coalition will have no choice but to oppose the bill.
dj11
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OK, that was your assumption. Fair enough, and possibly accurate.
Since the speed at which the California Government will do anything would give a snail a good race, it is fair to also assume that anything that gets done will happen after any existing bad actor clauses expire. Plus, IIRC, the DOJ lifted their decree that Stars was indeed a bad actor.
Add in that there was never any legally binding decision that Stars was indeed a bad actor (no court cases happened), Stars can fight this fairly easy. The cardrooms involved have quite a bit of sway when it comes to gambling decisions made in Sacramento. But even if Stars was considered a bad actor at the time Black Friday happened, then spring of '16 is the magic time frame. Again, things move too slowly in California, even with a solid political monarchy.
Personally, I would have preferred Stars fought the whole BF thing, forced it into the courts, and made for actual precedent. The fact that they didn't is the only negative thing I can think about Stars. Oddly, the same reasoning goes for the DOJ, who should also have forced it into court.
Still, it gladdens my heart to know the card rooms have chosen Stars as the partner they want to provide a solid honest game with no BS. I would imagine the other card rooms/casino's in the state to be at least very interested in that coalition. It will at least get them to a table.
curtinsea
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It's more than an assumption. 1 + 1 = 2 They certainly are not going to support legislation that blocks them from entering the market. Who would even think that was the case?
Have you actually read the bills pending in CA? You seem to be conflating issues here. The 'bad actor' clause in the CA bills has nothing to do with the DoJ's position, nor does it have to. The state has the right to legislate gaming as it sees fit. There is nothing preventing CA from preventing Pokerstars from entering their market.
There is no expiration date. You may be referring to NV's bad actors clause, which was a five year ban. That is not the case in the CA legislation, there is no five year limit.
Again, you should read the CA bills. I'll link them at the bottom of this comment. But the gist of it is that any entity that accepted bets from US players after 12.31.2006 is barred. Not only are the companies barred, but so is their intellectual property. That means no other company can use Pokerstars' software to get around the bad actors clause.
I would have liked to see Pokerstars fight as well, but they probably would have lost anyway, and the result would have been much worse than the settlement. That is why people/companies decide to settle.
For the DoJ's part, they got everything they needed to out of Pokerstars in the settlement . . . blocked them from the US market and sucked them for $750m. That's a win/win without risk. Can't say they played it wrong at all.
The other cardrooms are not going to be pleased with the Goliath that this coalition will be. The players will flock there and not to other operators. That lack of players will doom those operations.
Plus, not only will those operators not be able to reap the revenue from online poker, but they will be further set back by the marketing advantage Goliath gains from offering online games.
No, things got stickier, not better. At least as far as getting something done.
Now mind you, after all I've said, I think the Pokerstars/Morongo/Commerce/Bike coalition is awesome for players. I'll be thinking of moving to CA if it actually happens, and no doubt that is the only place I will play online.
But it's a road block to getting something done, that can't really be denied.
Here are the bills:
CA SB 1336
CA AB 2291
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Legend
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it is local pool, not global pool
but glad to see poker stars back to US
but glad to see poker stars back to US
absoluthamm
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They aren't back yet...
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Legend
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At least , will be....
curtinsea
Rock Star
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omg. anyone know an estimate time? i was planning on moving away from cali after college lol but might reconsider now
At least one of the two bills must be passed out of committee by May 9th, or that is when and where they die.
Then a bill must be passed out of the house of origin by May 30th, or that is when and where they die.
Not sure about the Senate bill, but the Assembly bill requires a 2/3 majority to pass.
Given the Pokerstars situation, my guess is that neither bill advances this session. There is no urgency, and letting the clock run out gives the legislators the opportunity to reap a lot of lobbyist money as this is an election year.
Also, letting these bills lapse allows for new bills to be introduced next year, presumably ones with and without 'bad actor' language.
Putting it off until 2015 works best for everyone that matters, which obviously does not include the players.
dj11
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+1
Remember that there are currently no laws in Ca against playing online. This is sort of covered in the preamble/digest of the first bill (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_1351-1400/sb_1366_bill_20140221_introduced.html) in a comment about any legislation creating new crimes.
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el_magiciann
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I don't know why people want to play at Jokerstars, this site is the biggest joke from all poker sites, if i show you my history hands, you will found so much unreal bad beats so you can easily think that poker is not worth playing at pokerstars....
Zorba
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curtinsea
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The reason is mostly fond memories of the old paradigm, when there were thousands and thousands of players online all the time, lots of tables running, SNG's popping off every couple of minutes, and a tourney schedule far better than any other.
What most don't seem to realize is that in an intrastate setting, it won't be anything like that. You'll have the familiar software, but there will be scant players just like on the other, current, licensed sites.
CA will be much bigger than is NJ, but it won't even resemble what it once was on Pokerstars.
As for the nonsense about your hand histories, I suggest you actually put those hand histories to the test with PT4 and then come back with the graphs. You'll find everything in statistical norms, and no doubt PT4 will point out the leaks in your game that put you in such spots so often.
MisterLongFace
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what would be cool is if they incorporated in a way to have access to deposit and withdraw your online funds at the involved casinos
it would make sense and could encourage people to take won money out at the casino and gamble it live when they want, and deposit it back if they want when they want to play online
its a popular concept already done by a lot of horse wagering sites, where you can deposit and bet horses online but you can also go to certain horse tracks and have access to your online funds on track, as well as deposit there
it would make sense and could encourage people to take won money out at the casino and gamble it live when they want, and deposit it back if they want when they want to play online
its a popular concept already done by a lot of horse wagering sites, where you can deposit and bet horses online but you can also go to certain horse tracks and have access to your online funds on track, as well as deposit there
dj11
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Been drumming this song for a long time. It amazes me how many around here hate the idea. But, IMHO, they are all delusional enough to actually believe it will be like it used to be.
BluffMeAllIn
4evrInmyheart RIP xoxo :(
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Did you read the OP, the link is the same.
did you read the edit comment that changed it