pokertracker, holdemmanager or...????

Hey, i want to buy a program that auto imports my hands, en give my the best filters fgor sng, en tourneys, i dont play cash games,...

So i wondered what is the best, pokertracker or holdemmanager for sng en tourneys, so i can see roi for different buy-ins, en single or multi table en regulur or turbo
or any other program i dont nowabout,...

ty help with this would be great as i am gonna spend 90$ on it,

now i use pokerdominator, en thats great but since i started multitabling its too much too manually enter each time

greetz

I personally like HEM better, but if you're really unsure, just download both of them and see which fits your needs better. They both have free trials so you can test them out yourself.

Agreed. Try one and then the other. HEM gives you a 14 day trial, I believe. PT3 is a 60 day trial.

I personally went with PT3 as they had a micro stakes version. Then you can upgrade as you move out of that level.

HEM does the same thing, there is a micro stakes version that is separate from the full version and can be upgraded for just the difference in cost.

I like HEM, but I'm pretty sure both will do what youre looking for, depends on personal preference

both have free trials. so you can download them both and try them for free and decide on the one you like.

HEM is the best. because Dusty has it

I'm a fairly new player, and I preferred PT3. I have used them both and PT3 just seems to have a nicer cleaner interface. You are able to export hands from one database and import them into another, so you don't loose any info by trying both.

i have HEM but have used the pt3 trial and think i liked that a little bit better.

hey ty all for the replies,it will help me,...

I've red so many reviews, but its hard to figure out because almost all the reviews are about cash games, en i play stt/mtt only, i have downloaded them both now, en for the moment, pt3 is faster en gives more clear filters for the different sng/mtt i play, but i saw a leakbuster on hem that i didnt see on pt3 so again difficult ,-.

tx

Leakbuster is a great addon, but you have to be willing to invest some time into it if you're wanting to get anything out of it. But the same can be said for HEM/PT3 alone as well. Just having the program installed on your computer isn't going to make you ship the nickels

hey ty i will look into that for sure,...

about pt3 today i tested it the first time,
played 8 stt
won 2
got 1 second place en 5 losses

en my pt3 saved it as 6 losses, en 2 wins, so it forgot the 2cond place, en therefore my satst where not correct at all, contacted support, but no answer yet

so i am gonna look into holdemmanager now en hope they dont have this leaks

If you closed the tournament before the HH was written this will happen because it will show up as a unfinished tournament. In HEM you can manually edit the tournament stats to show your 2nd place, or you can request the HH from your poker room and import that to get the full details.

really didnt now that, that might be the problem then,... because i multitable i auto close them, schould i wait en how long?

ty so much

30 seconds is all really. Really as long as you see the next hand dealt, it has written the HH. But I know some people that will close the window when they are drawing dead, so they don't even see the end of their hand, then you will miss that HH.

that must be the problem then somethimes when i get to 10 chips or so late on, or i now i am gonna loose the hand, en i now i can not win for sure i tend to close the window to open a new sng,

ty so much for pointing at this i was really thinking like if they dont even be accurate with 8 stt why schould i have any trust in using the program ,-.

but now it seems that might be the problem

tx

I'm a HEM user myself and preferred it to PT3 (including the UI), but by most accounts if you're more of a STT/MTT player, PT3 may suit you better as they've completed more work on the tourney side than HEM has. HEM excels at cash games, though. Overall, even when I'm playing primarily tourneys like I am now, HEM is fine for me and so far I have no intentions of going back to PT3. So it's really a personal preference thing, both are entirely capable for most players.

Leakbuster is for cash games, it will only analyze cash HHs and its advice isn't that useful for tourney players beyond maybe plugging the most basic of leaks.

HEM is easily better, i've used both.

given what he wants to do, PT3 is going to be far ahead. If you haven't tried PT3 lately, you won't realize this.

Also, PT3 allows development of an absurd quantity of custom stats, which I *believe* HEM doesn't let you do. And these have been extremely useful with tourny specific items.

One big thing though bonflizubi is that someone who has never used either program for any amount of time isn't really going to need anything beyond what either of the two programs allow with what comes with them to begin with. There is so much that they can do that the person is not getting out of it right now as it is. The new user won't need those things for quite some time. Not to mention, the user than is playing exclusively $1.10 and $3.30 SnG's(not saying anything bad about it, but those added functions are probably over your head)

I think the bottom line here is that you can't go wrong with either.

My own process with this (I just started using a HUD around end of November):
I started with PT3 so that I could have the longer trial and get used to working with a HUD. My thinking was that when I went over to the shorter HEM trial, I'd already know the general concepts and be able to understand the pros of HEM more quickly.

What actually happened: I used PT3. I like it. Decided that since I'd already invested time into setting it up, and since the cost is the same, it was just more convenient to just buy it and not go through the time playing with a new one. PT3 is fine and does what I need. No complaints.

Other posters are right about closing the tables before the hand finishes out. That will prevent that hand from being recorded to your Hand History file. But... PT3 also lets you edit your tourney files and you can always manually enter the results. So try not to close the window too soon. But if you do, you can always update the database manually.

Final thought:
I debated whether it was worth the effort. I read tons of reviews online and asked the same question you're asking here and on other forums.

My advice: Please get it NOW. I'm a micro-stakes recreational player and it is definitely paying for itself. Even if I'm playing only a single table.

BUT: You have to take time to review hand histories, post hands on this forum, look at stats and see trends with which hands and positions are losing money for you. You can learn so much about how you play and then you can improve (= more money).

I am coming to the end of my free trial of PT3 and am going to try HEM when it does. A question I had was, I use 2 different computers to play on. I was wondering, is there a way to merge the info on one computer with the info on the other? I will post my thoughts on HEM vs PT3 when I finish my trials.

Yea, you can merge the databases, the easiest way is to have the computers networked and using the same database, otherwise you can backup and restore when moving from one computer to another, but that will take quite a bit of time. Or I know others that just keep their HH's on a flash drive so they can load them into the other computer as well, that works too.

Yeah, by far the easiest and probably most goof-proof way of merging databases from multiple PCs -- unless you're a DBA with a deep understanding of databases and moving data between them -- is to simply export all your hands from the database you want to move, then import them into HEM on the other PC. Also, HEM can import your PT3 database and (I'm pretty sure) vice-versa.