Your First Final Table

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  #1
14th March 2009, 5:02 PM
Egon Towst
 
Online Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Your First Final Table

Your First Final Table.


Congratulations, you made it. Your first final table.

You read Harrington and remembered his advice. Maybe you read Sklansky or Snyder. Or maybe, if you couldn`t afford a book, you went cheapskate and just read Rex, AG, Bob and Company here on Cardschat. Ah well, beggars can`t be choosers.

Wherever you learned, it must have worked. I mean, you made it to the FT, didn`t you ? Or did you just suck out and fluke your way ? No matter, you got here. That`s all that matters, right ? Congratulate yourself. Enjoy.

Er… for about ten seconds. Then calm down and listen to the bad news.

Everything you did so far was just a preliminary. Here is where the real work starts. If you had been knocked out any time up to now, the best you would have achieved (depending on the payout structure in your particular MTT) was to just about cover your buy-in, maybe with a modest profit, not worth your time. It is only now, at the FT, that you have a chance to make real money. The next 30 to 60 minutes will determine whether this was a good day, or just a wasted opportunity.

You`re tired, right ? You have been playing for, what, three or four hours straight ? This is no time to be tired. You need to be at your best. First time you are folded and not playing your cards, get up out of that chair. Take a moment to splash your face. Walk around the room. Stretch while you keep one eye on the screen.

Remember, the other players have played just as long and are just as tired. Let them be dopey, make sure you get sharp. You are going to beat these guys.

You`re nervous, right ? Uncertain ? Lacking confidence ? That`s OK, so are most of your opponents. You will encounter a lot of inexperience at the final table of any online MTT up to around the $20 buyin level (and sometimes also in more expensive tournies which have satellites, because many of the players are qualifiers who don`t routinely play at that level). The majority (maybe all) of your opponents will be in the same boat as you. It`s an unfamiliar situation for them and they are edgy and excited, as well as tired.

It is a combination which produces errors that you can exploit, and I am going to try and give you the tools to do so. If I told you how many final tables I have played, some might think I was bragging or exaggerating, so let`s just say it`s more than a few. Here is some of what I have learned. Think of it as a roadmap for winning MTTs.

When you first arrive at the FT, sit back and watch the game but do not play (other than from the blinds) without a very big hand. I would suggest pairs JJ or better and AJ, AQ, AK. Your aim, during approximately the first 10 to 20 hands, is to observe the other players and to create the table image of a tight player for those of the opponents who may be watching you.

Watch the other players closely. You should be trying to determine who is playing scared and can be bullied and who is prepared to be more bold. Pro writer John Vorhaus called this process “breathing in” the atmosphere of the table, and that is as good a way to describe it as any I can think of.

If you are using a HUD, you may get some clues from that, but beware of reading too much into the statistics of a player who you have met earlier on in the tourney, and on whom you have a good number of hands. As a general rule (especially in Ring Games), tracker stats are more reliable when you have a good sample. However, that isn`t necessarily the case in tournaments. People play very differently in the early blind levels of a tourney from the way that they do at the end, and this information may be misleading. Don`t convince yourself that the opponent is loose based on his play of three hours ago, and miss the fact that he is playing like a nit here and now. At the FT, old fashioned eyeball and note-taking are your most useful resource.

Example: One night recently, my wife came into my study and told me she was going to start getting ready for bed, as it was getting late. I said, “Ok, I will be along soon. I am nearly done playing poker for tonight, this is the final table” (indicating my monitor screen).

She made some remark to the effect that I must be winning big again, and should take her out to dinner from my winnings, then she stopped to watch over my shoulder for a while. She isn`t a poker player and only vaguely understands the game, and she asked me, “Am I seeing this right, you went all in and you have a seven and a four ?” I said yes. She said, “Why did you do that, surely that is a bad hand ?” I said, “Yes it is, but the opponent will fold. Watch.” And, to her amazement, he did fold.

So, my poor wife is now even more convinced that she can never understand poker, because there is some bizarre secret to it that eludes her.

For your eyes only, the secret is Observation.

Once you have a flavour of the game, it is time for your first change of gear. I call this “Stack Building”. Increase your stack by stealing blinds from the timid players and/or by raising from late position when they limp in ahead of you.

At a final table, the blinds are high in relation to the stacks. It is commonly the case that average stack size is 10 Big Blinds or less. In those circumstances, few hands will go to showdown and, when there is a showdown, it will often result in the elimination of a player.

If the hand is unlikely to go to showdown, it follows that you do not need the best hand in order to win. You need only put sufficient pressure on the opponent that he cannot call without a monster.

Of course, this will not always work. Sometimes, the opponent will pick up pocket Aces, Kings, or Queens, will be unmoved by your pressure and will call, putting you in a situation where you will be going out unless you are very lucky. That is an acceptable risk. In most tournaments, the really big money goes to the top three spots. There is little to be gained by folding your way into 5th or 6th place, so be prepared to take a calculated risk to maintain or increase your stack. Stay in the race to be first (and settle for 9th or 10th if you get unlucky).

Timid opponents may recognise that you are raising often and may suspect that you do not always have the cards to back your aggression. Here is another secret for you: Even though they know that, they still won`t call without a monster. Under the pressures of the final table, and faced with the fear of going out early, the timid player will not find the courage to play back at you. He has to have cards to play, and big pocket pairs seldom arrive.

Once you have built your stack up sufficiently that you are in no immediate danger from the blinds (probably you are among the three leaders), I recommend that you change gears again. Now your objective is to knock opponents out and establish dominance over the table. I call this phase of FT play “Aces and Nines”. Now you should play cards which have a strong chance of being the best hand, which I define as pairs 99 or better and Aces with a decent second card (again, probably 9 or better).

Your target also has shifted. Now you play at the more adventurous opponents, in the hope that they will take you on with a weaker hand. They will have seen that in the previous phase you raised often and, like the timid players, will guess that you did not have the cards to back your aggression. Unlike the timid players, these guys have the guts to do something about it. When you “try it on” against them, they are just waiting to call or to re-raise all in with their middle pair or their Ace with a weedy kicker.

That`s when you turn over your big hand, knock them out, and say “Good Game”.

Do that once or twice and you produce consternation all around the table. The opponents think you are the luckiest SOB they ever saw. Judging from your betting and raising, you are often representing strong hands. They thought you were kidding but, when challenged, you really do have a strong hand. “This guy has all the luck”, they think, “how can I compete ? “

You can produce a mindset in the opponent such that, when you get to the last three and then to headsup, they are ready to hand you the victory and settle for second or third because, in their view, it is your day to win. If the site where you are playing allows a Final Table chop, you can more easily achieve an advantageous deal or, if the game is to be played to a finish, you have a big moral advantage.

Of course, more sophisticated opponents will understand that what is happening is not luck and the reality is that you are a pretty useful player. Obviously, that also works just as well to your advantage and helps to make opponents fear you.

The “Aces and Nines” approach requires that you be dealt some decent cards. If you happen to be card-dead for a spell and the rising blinds become a concern, you should revert back to the beginning of the process. Watch the game quietly, “Breathe In”, re-establish a tight image, then begin stealing again. You can go through the cycle as many times as necessary and the more times you change gears the more difficult it becomes for even the smarter opponents to get a read on you.

Once you get down to three players remaining, it`s time to change gears again to a mode which I call “Punching”. In this phase of play, you ramp up the aggression again, raise preflop with any above average hand, then make a continuation bet on the flop irrespective of whether you hit or not. Visualise it as a one-two double punch. By this time, your remaining opponents should be very wary of you and very reluctant to tangle with you when you represent a good hand.

Of course, the obvious counter to this, should the opponent understand what you are doing, would be for him to sit back and wait for a big hand with which to trap. In order to avoid giving him easy clues, mix up your play by sometimes limping, especially with a hand which has potential to flop a concealed monster, such as connectors or a small pair. Because the blinds are now so high, the opponents have little time in which to sit back, in any case, unless they wish to be eaten up by the blinds.

Do not be afraid, during this phase, to fold several successive hands from time to time, especially where both of your opponents seem willing to play against each other. It will usually be to your advantage if one takes the other out. If you sit back for a short spell and then return to the attack, the opponents will tend to assume that you have hit another rich vein of cards, and will respect your raises again.

Headsup is a whole new game and deserving of an essay of its own. Maybe one for me to write another day. However, if you continue with the “Punching” approach, you will defeat the majority of opponents without needing any other tricks in your bag.

So there you have it. My FT roadmap. In essence, it involves four different styles of play:

Breathing In
Stack Building
Aces and Nines
Punching

And choosing the right moment to switch between one and another. I hope all that made reasonable sense. Please feel free to offer comments and ask questions.

A few final thoughts before I finish:

When “Stack Building”, aim to win one pot for each round of blinds, if at all possible. This will ensure your stack is not depleted by the blinds/antes and goes up rather than down.

When playing at the FT, it is usually an error to call. Aim to be first into the pot and open with a raise. If the pot has already been opened, stay out of it unless you have some serious cards or are very confident of your ability to push the raiser off his hand post-flop.

If the chipleader has you seriously out-chipped, don`t enter any pot against him without a strong hand. Many players think that, when they have a big stack and can afford to take a hit, it is their “duty” to deal with bluffers. The chipleader may be much more prepared to go to showdown with you than he would be if he didn`t have the cushion of a big stack. You can turn this to your advantage by doubling through him when your cards are strong, but don`t be caught out by it when they are weak.

Don`t allow yourself to become overly card-dependent. I have provided you with strategies that don`t require cards to succeed. Success at poker is at least as much about psychology, position and relative stack size as it is about cards, and that goes double for FTs.

Good luck at the tables.

Oh, and when you win, take your girl out to dinner.
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  #2
14th March 2009, 5:38 PM
Mr McCluskey
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Great read, in fact I think this should be archived. I myself have been that timid player your talking about at the the final table and if I ever get there again I think I shall open up this thread for insperation. The fear factor for a beginner at poker of just raising with trash to steal is a massive stumbling block I am just now getting over. Put in to practice though its amazing the amount of chips you can accumalate.

Out of intrest is there a certain point in mtts that you start stealing blinds as in when the antes hit? Or is it a case see how it "feels"?

Again great read and looking forward to more.
  #3
14th March 2009, 6:06 PM
NineLions
 
Online Poker at: PS, FT
Excellent post Egon. Great strategy discussion, great examples. I know that I'm not much of an MTT player, largely because I get pooped out by the time the FT arrives, resulting in more 6, 5, 4 place finishes than necessary.
  #4
14th March 2009, 6:38 PM
Egon Towst
 
Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr McCluskey
Out of intrest is there a certain point in mtts that you start stealing blinds as in when the antes hit? Or is it a case see how it "feels"?

As with many other poker questions, it depends.

As a rough measure, when the Big Blind reaches one tenth of the starting stack is a good point at which to start. Much before that and the blinds are too small to really be worth the bother.

However, one might start earlier if the table were especially tight, or wait until later if you have opponents who are reluctant to fold.
  #5
14th March 2009, 8:24 PM
nicoiko
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Hold'em
Do I need to say this is once again a priceless post for those of us who just keep making it again and again but can't win a piece of those final tables

gonna print it and stick it in front of my eyes every time i play a MTT Egon
  #6
14th March 2009, 8:32 PM
Tokeard311
 
Poker at: Ultimate Bet
Game: Holdem
Very nice. Thank you for the definitely needed information.
  #7
15th March 2009, 3:18 AM
only_bridge
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: bridge
re: Your First Final Table poker

Nice blog. I find it hard to switch gears at the final table, when I have been stealing a lot of blinds. But I guess its all about practice.
  #8
15th March 2009, 3:29 AM
zachvac
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold 'em
You write this Egon or did you just enhance it with the Rex/AG/Bob references?
  #9
15th March 2009, 8:41 AM
Egon Towst
 
Online Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac
You write this Egon or did you just enhance it with the Rex/AG/Bob references?
I wrote it, m8.

I discussed with Rex last year that I would write some stuff based on my FT experience. In theory, I was going to produce it as a sort of Xmas present to the forum, but I couldn`t find the time.

I hope Easter is ok.
  #10
15th March 2009, 8:05 PM
zachvac
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold 'em
Quote:
Originally Posted by Egon Towst
I wrote it, m8.

I discussed with Rex last year that I would write some stuff based on my FT experience. In theory, I was going to produce it as a sort of Xmas present to the forum, but I couldn`t find the time.

I hope Easter is ok.
Very nice. Take it as a compliment that I thought it may have been written by someone else (ie pro). It is extremely well written
  #11
15th March 2009, 8:23 PM
Irexes
 
Online Poker at: Stars
Game: MTTs & Ring
Excellent stuff Egon

Agree with all of that, though as I only play double stack or rebuy tournaments the avg stack is usually around the 20bb mark which changes ranges a bit and gives a bit more room to play.

The advice to breathe in the table is spot on, reads are everything. I'd suggest that at every level there are usualy 4 or 5 players who are terrified to play, and ironically as a result usually end up busting quickly due to shoving uneccessarily the moment they get a decent hand. I think for many players they are eager to eliminate the decision making process of post-flop play by shoving anything playable preflop without consideration of position or opponents.

The area I always find interesting is the relationship that develops between you as a button, SB and BB and the players to your left and right. I've found that managing this successfully is often the key to building a nice stack, both in terms of steals and getting it in for stacks with the best of it. Not a specific question but any thoughts about this area of play?
  #12
15th March 2009, 8:47 PM
Egon Towst
 
Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irexes
The area I always find interesting is the relationship that develops between you as a button, SB and BB and the players to your left and right. I've found that managing this successfully is often the key to building a nice stack, both in terms of steals and getting it in for stacks with the best of it. Not a specific question but any thoughts about this area of play?

I concur.

I think it`s important to watch the players to my immediate right and develop a feel for their raising range, so that I know whether they are likely to be playing a real hand or just utilising their position.

As regards the players to my left, I often focus on the one third to my left. When I am button, the SB and BB may expect a steal from me, if I have an aggressive table image. However, a steal from the cutoff is much less likely to be identified as such.
  #13
16th March 2009, 5:00 PM
Egon Towst
 
Online Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac
Take it as a compliment that I thought it may have been written by someone else (ie pro).

It is a fine compliment. Thank you.
  #14
16th March 2009, 6:08 PM
dj11
 
Poker at: PSFTUBPOSB&O
Game: Horse.
re: Your First Final Table poker

I 2nd every word of the OP.

WTF can dj know? Lately I have been doing PDG in HORSE tourneys. The first few where more luck based, but then I got to thinking that maybe it isn't all that much luck, cuz the cards I see have not been special. So I started actually and really seeing what I was doing.

Turns out I was doing just what Egon is telling you here. And as I remember back on past Final Tables, I remember that those things happened. In HORSE tourney's, my HUD doesn't work (used to in the HE games but no more anywhere??), so I have to rely on my OBSERVATIONS and the ambiance of the table. The 'breathing in' part of the OP is dead on.

Of particular importance, and not mentioned, is realizing when any villain is ready to commit pokercide. They are so short stacked that they got demoralized and ATC will do. Note whether you do it yourself. Of late I have not been committing pokercide too often. I'll wait longer than I ever did before, and often way past conventional wisdom decries, before I move. Pokercide is almost always 100% successful.

Sometimes while driving down the road, the road is flat and straight and your car just floats a straight line down that road, but usually the road is imperfect and tilted and requires your intervention to drive down that road. Your experiences help you overcome that tilted road.

Last edited by dj11 : 16th March 2009 at 6:21 PM.
  #15
16th March 2009, 6:38 PM
Mr McCluskey
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Few questions on part of article.

When “Stack Building”, aim to win one pot for each round of blinds, if at all possible. This will ensure your stack is not depleted by the blinds/antes and goes up rather than down.

^^^^ ok just focusing on this statement

How far can you take stealing on line without being obvious, I know this is a depends kind of question but say you are raising 100% of the hands most villians will know your stealing. I guess the question is just out of intrest at a passive table how many times a round would you steal attempt?

Also would you ever show hands after a steal attempt strong or weak? Personally I never show hands but say you are on the final table and the last few hands you have stolen the blinds, next hand you pick up AA,KK AKs etc and raise your usual raise if everyone folds would you show just too add a bit of credability to you stealing? If no action was forthcoming would you show a steal with for examples sake say 72 to try and generate action in the future?
  #16
16th March 2009, 9:23 PM
Egon Towst
 
Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr McCluskey
I guess the question is just out of intrest at a passive table how many times a round would you steal attempt?
It is a good question, and the obvious answer is "it depends".

That seems unhelpful, though, so I will try for a better answer.

As suggested in the OP, I will look to take one pot approximately every round of blinds. During my "breathing-in" phase, I will have pre-selected my targets. I actually make a player note "foldr" where appropriate, meaning that the player in question seems likely to fold preflop when pressed. Those players are the ones to attack.

I try very hard not to be predictable, and therefore I have no predetermined plan as to when or how often I will steal. Even though I may have been uncomplimentary about opponents in my OP above, it`s worth bearing in mind that there are not usually any fools at the FT. A guy who has come this far in the tourney must have a reasonable notion of how to play, so it doesn`t pay to be too obvious.

I don`t steal massively often, and it may be that won`t steal at all in a round, if I am fortunate enough to be dealt a good hand and to win a pot with legitimate cards. When I do steal, I try not to target the same player two rounds in a row, so that it is not obvious to him that I am picking on him.

I will sometimes steal on two consecutive hands, representing a "rush". In a strange way, I think that is more believable. I don`t, though, open raise three hands in a row unless the third is a genuine hand.

In order to ensure that I do not, even unconsciously, fall into a readable pattern, if there are several "foldrs" at the table I will decide when to target one randomly using the wristwatch method of deciding when to make an uncharacteristic move. That method is discussed in "Harrington on Holdem" and is quite widely known, I think. Basically, if your plan is to steal (say) one time in six, you glance at your watch or clock when the turn passes to you. If the second hand is between O and 10 seconds, you make a move, otherwise not.

Blind stealing is a key part of the MTT player`s arsenal, and a complex subject in its own right. I am not at all sure I have done the subject justice there (I am playing in a MTT now and therefore not fully focused here), but I hope that helps ?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr McCluskey
Also would you ever show hands after a steal attempt strong or weak?
No, I never give away any free information and I prefer to keep the opponent guessing. Therefore, I never show a hand in any circumstances and always have the "auto-muck" button checked.

That is, however, a matter of personal preference. Other CC regulars believe in showing, and there are good arguments either way.
  #17
16th March 2009, 9:38 PM
KingCurtis
 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Game: Holdem ldo
Awesome article, consider writing more for the popular demand
  #18
16th March 2009, 11:05 PM
Mr McCluskey
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Thanks for the answers Egon, I think next book I can afford Ill look up Harrington. Gonna play a 1$ mtt and keep the midnight fires burning lol hopefully I will need this article again later.
  #19
16th March 2009, 11:08 PM
Egon Towst
 
Online Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr McCluskey
hopefully I will need this article again later.

I hope so. Good luck with that.
  #20
17th March 2009, 4:03 AM
Kenzie 96
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Wonderful article Egon. Even after 3+ years as a member of this forum, I continue to be surprised by both the quality & generosity of the members.

+
  #21
17th March 2009, 5:13 AM
adventurebound
 
Game: Firewater
re: Your First Final Table poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingCurtis
Awesome article, consider writing more for the popular demand
^^^ I second that motion, all in favor? * the croud aplaudes* Motion carried.


You sure reminded me of my first online final table, it was at a Bodog $1,000 FR/ 2k players about 5 years ago. Somehow I managed to win too! (and promptly lost most of it on cash tables above any br managment considerations trying to win the 100K via cheap satty's entries )

That said I had no clue about the tactics of poker by any means. (thought I did, lol) Never flat out bluffed but I did over value junk hands a bit more than I care to admit, couldn't read players, didn't know how to raise right and certainly didn't know a 3bet from a hole in the ground, lol...

All I can say is TG for CC and great posters like ET!
  #22
17th March 2009, 12:53 PM
dakota-xx
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
Great article Egon - I plan on needing to use this information very soon. I haven't made a final table in the past couple of months since I started playing a lot of tournaments - but I am getting closer and closer. I know this will be invaluable for me when I do.
  #23
18th March 2009, 10:39 PM
weirdhotshot
 
Online Poker at: Players Only
Game: Hold 'em
Amazing post. Well written. Of course, if you enter the FT as a shortstack, should you not be prepared to rely solely on a shortstack strategy first? It's impossible to breathe in the atmosphere if you have 2 BB.

Overall, though, great post with some thoughts I will definitely take into my next FT appearance.
  #24
19th March 2009, 12:19 AM
Egon Towst
 
Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by weirdhotshot
Amazing post. Well written.
Thank you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by weirdhotshot
It's impossible to breathe in the atmosphere if you have 2 BB.
That is true.

Personally, I would avoid that dilemma by never allowing my stack to fall so low. Once you are down as low as that, you no longer have any fold equity and no options remaining other than to pray for a miracle hand. You are a passenger in a runaway train, on your way to the scene of the accident.

I believe in always making a move of some kind before I fall below 5xBB at the very lowest, and I am not comfortable (even in the high blind/short stack territory near the end of a tourney) unless I have more than 10.

In that connection, it is worth keeping a close eye on the countdown to the next level. Otherwise, there is a danger you will be caught out by the blind increase and may find your stack suddenly depleted (in effect). This can be pretty disconcerting in these marginal situations.
  #25
23rd March 2009, 1:08 AM
DawgBones
 
Online Poker at: FTUBPS
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicoiko
Do I need to say this is once again a priceless post for those of us who just keep making it again and again but can't win a piece of those final tables

gonna print it and stick it in front of my eyes every time i play a MTT Egon
Here,here. Excellent advice as well as a great read. This is so well written you should consider getting it published in a poker magazine.Gonna make a couple copies to hang in a few rooms and the first time I take down a tourney I'm gonna buy you a drink. Thank you for taking the time to help educate us online newbies.
  #26
23rd March 2009, 2:44 AM
thepokerjunky
 
Hah i liked the touch you added in the end. Nicely put. Your explanation
was very enlightening and painted a general picture of how final
tables are. I have been in a few myself and i totally agree with some of
your points, especially with the need to take the blinds. I find this
extremely easy at this point, especially when i have a fair stack to push.
Sadly it doesnt always work if your playing freerolls or tournies with
small buyins, since a lot of people tend to tell themselves 'what the hell,
its only pocket change', even if they took hours to get where they were.
I suppose this is also due to the fact that they are tired and totally worn
out. Anyway i enjoyed reading the articule and hope to read a few more,
hopefully just as good as this one!
  #27
23rd March 2009, 9:30 PM
Egon Towst
 
Online Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgBones
This is so well written you should consider getting it published in a poker magazine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thepokerjunky
i enjoyed reading the articule and hope to read a few more, hopefully just as good as this one!

Thanks, guys, I appreciate your comments. I would write more, only I have a lot of demands on my time. I only manage to do a serious strategy or hand-analysis thread once every few months. Sorry.

If you are interested, the last couple of big threads I made are here (http://www.cardschat.com/f51/big-slick-early-mtt-124816/) and here.
  #28
23rd March 2009, 10:08 PM
paumarhas
 
Poker at: fulltilt
Game: holdem
re: Your First Final Table poker

BRAVO! BRAVO!
this was truely a magnificent read. at first it seemed too long, but once i started reading had to finish and very glad i had. thank you.
  #29
30th July 2009, 12:13 AM
8Michael3
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
WOW-Superhero post

Thanks ET. I have only made a couple of final tables in my time and only recently have become more comfortable raising with nothing against "fldrs." 3 Betting is still fairly new to me as well-only after watching the pokerstars videos did I realize that 3 betting is a powerful strategy against aggressive players like yourself.

You sound like a very busy person, so only if you have some spare time maybe you could share your wisdom in a thread I would love some pros to participate in. Harrington on Holdem: the workbook, in the strategy section is something for new players like myself. But hopefully you could share some insight. You dont even have to reread the book-feel free to post one sentence out of context if you feel it can help the newbies.

Thanks again, do you mind if I print this out?
  #30
30th July 2009, 12:16 AM
Egon Towst
 
Poker at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8Michael3
Thanks again, do you mind if I print this out?

Go right ahead.
  #31
30th July 2009, 12:57 AM
TPC
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
Can't believe I didn't see this till now. Nice article Egon!!!
  #32
30th July 2009, 5:44 AM
bobsay225
 
Poker at: Ultimatebet/TILT
Game: hold em
thank you thank you thank you!!

Mr Egon I read this and in the last 3 days i have 1st out of 4000 23rd out of 5400 and 11th out of 2700 all freerolls ...Nowonly one was a final table but the switching gears helped me and keeps them wondering ty again this is on my favorites list
  #33
30th July 2009, 6:17 AM
the lab man
 
Online Poker at: Tilt
Game: Any Game
I had Missed this too Egon....Well written
  #34
30th July 2009, 6:52 AM
RA2000
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: holdem
Well done!
But your play certanly depends on your chipstack and you also need a little luck to win a tournement....
  #35
30th July 2009, 8:02 AM
Zorba
 
re: Your First Final Table poker

Great Post Egon, I dont know how I missed it all this time, and as said b4 very well writen, I too will be printing this out and keeping it in a prominant position while playing, I already do these thing in a way, but it was always without knowing why, so now that I have it in a stuctured way it will help me no doubt.
Thanks mate.
 



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