Tournament Rule Question

Is there ever a time in a NLHE tournament when it is your turn to act and there are people left to act behind you - and you are not permitted to raise as big as you want or go all in?

If you had already bet then if someone reraises allin and it is not at least the size of the previous raise, you cannot reraise.

I believe Yes if a raise is not big enough to qualify as a raise. Here is a contrived example

Blinds are 100/200
UTG raises to 1000
BTN calls
SB calls
BB goes AI for 1100
Since this is only 100 more the only options for the 3 are to call or fold.

Okay - let me change it then. Is there ever a time when you have not yet acted and the action gets to you - that you can not re-raise as much as you want or go all-in?

Not that I'm aware of.

(Anxiously awaiting new info which must be coming or you wouldn't have asked the question. )

Nope unless you're at a PL/FL table.

^this .... or there is someone behind you who has a 45 pointed at and says " ... go ahead, raise ... and make my day.."

For a normal person in no-limit.....I can't imagine....
For me, because of split personalities....yes....
While personality 1 might say shove, personality 2 might stop the action, and 2 seconds later I might find myself back, having folded and cleaning the bathroom.

Seriously though....I can't figure out a situation in NL.

Oh, btw, yes ofcourse.
Live, if you don't verbally raise and by accident (or not) do not move your chips in one movement or just toss in a single chip, which, as far as I know, indicates a call.

Umm is this a trick question Debi? Someone stated about the verbal thing but I don't think it applies here. The only thing I can think of that may fit here is if you are a new player into the game you only have the option to post the blind.

Or less you are playing a CAP game you cant raise as big as you want or shove.

Yes there is. I've seen it happen in online tourneys where you only have the option to call or fold. Say UTG opens to 3 X bb and a short stack shoves UTG + 1 for less than 2 bb more. CO then flats and your are yet to act, you can only call or fold.

If your question relates to live tourneys, I don't know.

Nope.

I'm pretty sure I'm right. Shouldn't be too long before it comes up again so when it does I'll come back here with my findings and screenshot evidence.

The post doesn't actually say what position we are in - I believe, though, that UTG would not be able to re-raise in this spot. The CO would have the option to re-raise.

Right UTG would not have the right to raise again BUT Debi clearly says that we have yet to act. We ALWAYS have the right to raise if we have yet to act on the current round of betting.

Didn't specify what position we're in but it has to be button, sb or bb. Doesn't matter which. Now I'm not so sure I'm right WV. What you say makes sense.

I will get the specifics of the situation tomorrow night and come back and post them.

Exactly, we can go allin if we want to.

I can confirm that WV is correct. Just had this situation pop up in a game.

As usual.

I think you can go "all-in" in NLHE any time you have not yet already called, folded, raised or bet.

As stated, there shouldn't be any time in a NL game where you cannot wager as much as you want, if you have yet to act on that street.

That being said, sometimes they simply get it soooo wrong.

I was in a tourny once and had KK. UTG raises, I 3bet, UTG 4 bets. I go to 5 bet all in, only to be told that I can't re-raise because UTG's raise constituted the 5th raise.

They not only misapplied a LIMIT POKER ruling into a tournament, but their reasoning was that the small blind and big blind each counted as "one raise" towards the cap of 5 bets.

But I suspect your situation involved the more common:

Guy A bets 1000, Guy B goes all in for 1400, You (having not yet acted) are told you can't raise because Guy B's bet isn't large enough to reopen the action. This should, of course, be irrelevant because you haven't yet acted on Guy A's initial bet. You should be free to raise.

I haven't had my coffee yet, but I think the legal minimum raise you could do in this example would be 2000, min raising the last legal raise.

Well...Maybe on the last part. If it's postflop you're 100% correct.

Preflop though it depends on the size of the blinds. If for instance they were 200-400, your raise could be as small as to make it 1600 (1000-400 + 1000). If the blinds were 50-100 you'd have to make it 1900 at a minimum.

Yes

Yeah I meant postflop for this example, to make it a little less confusing.

Dang - now it will be Saturday before I can clear this up.