Tournament Question

RegHC23 said:

I was playing in a live tournament in Choctaw Casino in Durant Oklahoma. It was the cardplayer poker tour event number 4 with 1A 1B and Final Day format. I really played well in this tournament and I am not mad about any decision I made in this tournament. I played every hand right. My question for everyone is on the last hand that I got knocked out on what would you do differently. I have a chip stack of about 21000 and its later in the tournament and 2/3 of the field has already been cut down. There were about 2000 entries just on 1B alone. I am in the big blind for a 1000 and the ante was 100. everyone fold and then a guy with about 50000 raises to 2300. everyone folds the rest of the way and obviously I call with 4 6 offsuit for half price. The flop comes A 4 Q rainbow. I check to him he check backs. the turn come 6. I check and he bets 3500 which is a little smaller than the pot. I figured I would push all in with 2 pair because I figured from his previous hands that at best he would have just AJ or AK. He called and flipped over AQ suited. My question is how could you have played that hand differently at this moment of the tournament and prevent yourself from getting iin that situation. Let me know? Up until that point I had not lost a showdown the entire day. I was 12 for 12.

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Michael Paler said:

You need better than bottom 2 pair and zero info to go nuclear with. He had to have at least an ace or Q, right? He raised preflop, so odds are good. So even a suited ace/queen + rag for 2 pair would have nailed you. Actually, the only thing you could have possibly beaten was a busted draw/one pair or total air.

So, by going all in over the top of his first bet post flop, there on the turn, you did not have enough info before doing that, since he could have had air or a strong hand. You sorta shot first and asked questions later. It happens. It's Ok in a cash game sometimes, never in an MTT unless short stacked and no choice or, maybe, if it will not kill you. Still, use some pot control. But honestly; you were already looking at horrible pot vs hand odds:

You had roughly 2-1 pot vs about 7-1 hand odds (to improve over a possible better 2 pair or trips) as it stood w 6 outs and only one card to come. This said "fold" as well, 2 pair or not. I noticed you approached this question as hand strength (2-pair) instead of outs (6). I would change that outlook. So even if not drawing dead, he had you way behind with only 1 card to come. And what do many players do with trips? Slo play, hoping that you catch up, then bet. Add all this up (better 2/trips/horrible odds), it equals odds say fold at worst, flat call (pot control) to see river at best.

Unsuited, in the blind, thus first to act on the flop, I might have actually folded pre flop if only HU, as that's 9 less outs that can save you. Even then, it's only a 6 high flush. Any four flush could kill you. Too risky for only a double up at best. :tee:

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Poker Orifice said:

sorry but this ^ is ridiculous

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kingmunchers said:

the part that gets me is you put him on Ace high, AK or AJ, but not A Q........

your not supposed to be putting him on exact hands, but ranges of hands, and if A J is in his range then so is A Q, it sounds more like you got your two pair and couldnt believe you both would hit 2 pair at the same time,

as stated by other players you had bottom 2 pair, so not a very strong hand, and was oop, general rule of thumb when oop is to keep the pot small, in the end you forced him all in when in theory only a hand that was beating you should call, and yes as far as players have said, please fold it pre, you can see a flop when you have a stack, but when you have 20BB you should not be looking to call raises, at that stage if somebody has raised put him on a range and then either shove, or fold, you cant call a raise and fold too often, and your going to miss the flop 33% of the time so just move on with your hand

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Michael Paler said:

If it is ridiculous to not risk your whole tournament life on two pair, bottom 2 at that, instead of finding out where you are before going all in or exercising pot control, then good luck in your own live MTT games - you are going to need it.

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aa88wildbill said:

I would not have called his pre flop raise, but if I did and hit a pair on the flop, seems to me you have to bet to see where you are, in the hand!

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