A Tip for Chip Wasters

Here's a tip for those who are [rudely in my opinion] referred to as "Donks": Instead of going all-in .... try betting the pot amount instead. This will often bring you success at taking the pot and leave you chips to play with should you not succeed. Try it.

This definately works in the latter stages of a tourney. But overall thats a pretty general piece of advice.

I find it a much more reasonable way to play, but then post-flop play doesn't scare me.

Less exciting for the adrenaline junkie, tho. Less satisfying for the bully. But, IMO, more profitable in the long haul.

Whenever someone over bets the pot on me it usually means they have the nuts or are bluffing...which prompts me to pause and read my opponent more carefully than usual. I almost always have the correct read. I suppose the extremes are easy to tell.

Betting less than the pot is less conspicuous.

A small value bet bluff can work much better on the end steal then an all in shove.

Good tip. Often I've been blasted out of tournaments with a big pair on an all low flop because the opponent has mistaken my all-in as weakness rather than absolute strength, and then lucks out on me on the turn or river. I think 3/4 or pot bets are the way to go on dry boards. Basically, with a pot bet you are saying I'm strong and it's going to cost you to call rather than with an all-in which can mean a variety of things.

all ins tend to be for people who dont know how to play their cards or for those taking advantage of someone who doesnt know how to play their cards

how about not bluffing maybe? and ur tip is too vague, different opponents and different situations call for different bet sizing and such

Not sure whether you are talking about bluffing or playing with a hand you believe to be in the lead. For example, if you are referring to a situation when you have an over pair to the board, then you don't even need to bet the pot to get the information that you need. A flat call is either a draw or a set or better. If the miss they will fold to most any size bet from 1/2 to 3/4 the pot.

But if you're being called by inferior hands that then have to suck out, what's the problem? If you're shoving too many overpairs and getting stacked by sets, two pairs, etc., that's what you want to reduce by betting normally. The goal isn't to reduce suckouts; it's to lose less when you're already beat while risking less and winning the same whan the opponent folds.

Not sure if this is a rant? Or just a vague vague piece of advice.....

I don't get it thats for sure

The problem is in tournaments, it's your tournament life. We are not talking being stacked by sets or two pairs but my people calling with bottom pair who think they are ahead (and may be or may be not suck out) because they see the all-in as weakness rather than strength.

how about not giving advice to the donks, lets not educate them.

Um, we are in a poker forum. The whole point is to educate. If someone wants to keep playing all-in poker after thinking about the pros and cons, that's their choice.

Some watch too much heavily edited TV poker and are under the mistaken impression that winners play that way all the time. It's a fun way to play, if you don't mind losing your shirt. Also, it's a good way to play premium hands if you are an amateur and are at a huge disadvantage playing a post-flop game against better players.

^^^This should only apply at the table itself, do not educate a poor player who's making bad moves when you know you will eventually take their chips.

i think you should be thinking in terms of best possible chip EV. rather than your tournament life. i make this overbet play w/AA often and can't count how many times i got called by a weak pair and they suked out. but i can tell you i either doubled or busted them 9x as many times.

I agree with an all in bet with an over pair. i even noticed that some players have a problem getting rid of a flopped flush draw for any price. so against those players i will shove even with top pair, if i think they would pay with just the draw. 2 out of 3 times i will double up trough them...

Well, the pot size bet does look less conspicious sometimes depending on how u read your opponent. I find it when he does that everytime its a little harder to read him because he is predictable especially in the early stages of a tournament. You almost have to assume he is bluffing half the time depending on how many hands they play each round of bbs. So yes in my opinion it is an effective tool to use when you have that tight image at the table. At the same time though i often use the allin bet when im a little behind especially in the late stages of a tournament taking down those blinds. It is although a little suspiscious looking so you better have a little something atleast obviously depending on how many players left at the table or you really got that tight image still going for you

Anyways yes the potsized bet i think would be preffered but you will never get that threw to your average bad player. I think they just have to play and learn for themselves if they want to be descent enough.

if i've seen sumone call a few all-in's b4 then i'll b using my all-in against this guy with Tp, 2P, set's and semi-bluffs.
I understand what u mean to keep ur self a bit safer but to put sum1's tourney life online then it's a more usefull tool.

Isn't this >> {opponent has mistaken my all-in as weakness} what you actually want? Isn't this why you'd be considering shoving anyways? (you'd want the shove to look like you're weak in hopes of getting called light). Whether or not they suck out on you (& you get 'blasted' from the toureny) while being way behind is irrelevant.

Mike Sexton says it all the time, and I believe him.

You can usually accomplish the same thing with a big bet as you can with going AI, without risking your whole stack.

Lol,
Hmmmm 66% eh, Well Done.
Um, isn't this what the OP said.

I was trying to agree with the OP, but maybe my post wasn't worded correctly.

No probs, I was confused thinking that you were trying to say something different.

All in is one the most overused misplays in the game, ring or tourney, largely used by peeps who watch too much TV poker... either they learn better eventually or spew chips until they bust their BR. Funniest thing is those who whine when someone sucks out on them with an equally misplayed call.

Of course many situations call for a shove but one has to know which ones... a little knowledge (emulating TV tourney poker and its dramatic shoves, final table fireworks etc.) can do a lot of damage to yr game...