Super Turbo's on Fulltilt

This sng's where u start with 300 chips and blinds go up every 3 minutes.

Any system to run too? Or pray u get lucky?

Been watching loads of them... Seem like loads of fish play them. Just thinking of a good source of income maybe.

Anybody play them?

ICM push/fold. lol-easy at micro-stakes. Not sure it's beatable at high stakes without good table selection.

quoted for truth. a good push/fold strategy will work wonders but you need to be careful about your bankroll. It's higher varience and I would assume 60buy-in is a must.

I didn't know these existed til I saw a guy mention them. He was 4 tabling the 3.50 + .30$ ones and from the looks of it he was doing pretty well and turning a profit. I'm really tempted to try them out. If you try them out let me know how it goes.

Yeah me know how you get on. And if you find there are a way to play them. Just ant got the balls to try one lol...

i like the pot limit omaha hi ones for $3.00+.30. ive played in about 5 of them and have won twice. those are a lot of fun. if you wait and play a little smarter you can do well.

This is lottery poker at it's finest imo.
I have accidently played in a few of these and see no stategic possiblility in them.

Donkfest, but tons of fun if you can play them WELL within your BR.
These games are NOT a way to build a bankroll, just a way to blow off a bit of steam and maybe win a few dollars with some luck. The $3.50 games are cheap enough to have a laugh with, the $7.50 gets a bit more serious.
Check out the high stakes ones, I think they are $169. Usually a couple of pro's messing about in them.

If you want to play these tourneys before you start go get a lottery ticket and if you win the lottery sign up

This definitely calls for opening up your range and playing a bit more loose PF. Wait for a nut flop to push and double on opponents imo. Playing tight in this type of tournament is simply going to cause you to get eaten alive by blinds.

There has to be an optimal way to play these, despite the seemingly insane format. Does anyone have examples of a player on sharkscope or similar with long-term solid results in this format (matching or exceeding traditional SNG or Turbo SNG results)?

This:
If you don't know what ICM is, just google it. It's basically a push/fold concept that takes into account your hand strength and other people's propensity to call based on their hand strength. It is widely considered the best form of analyzing many late game sit n go situations. Also, consider looking into the 30 day trial for SnGWizard.

Just scope some of the regs. I played a few while I was waiting for my normal games to unreg-infest themselves. They are definitely beatable at the lower limits.

I play these almost everytime they come up,if I have the money.I am referring to the MTT ones however.A few times I made some deep runs.The only strategy there is would be a Push/Fold.I refuse to push in early position with anything less than A 10,simply because any PP is going to call.I would definitely not limp ever ever!!!! In the sit-n gos I wait for a semi decent hand or a possible steal move on the blinds with a marginal hand.Usually people get Ko'd right off the bat though and helps make placing that much easier.

they are fun that's for sure. and you do have to adjust your play or you'll be out in the cold. haha
thanks for brining this up i'll have to try a few to break the monotony.
gl at the tables, peace

at the high stakes the players seem to get better, high as in 50 and 100. But I agree with spacemiu, you need a big bankroll for these, it's how I lost my money on FT.

these sng's even out the skill in the game, push and fold. even if u break even on these games, you may find alot your money going to ft. everytime you pass the money around, ft takes a piece.

I have to agree that push fold is the only method of it working. I like to use the micro buy ins to let my frustrations out so I don't tilt and/or waste my money playing donkish in higher games. It really helps me a lot with my BR management and helps me to be more patient when it counts. I really like to play large field mtts which I believe is a very patient art.

Has anyone ever won one of these? It seems almost impossible

I actually builded a bankroll from 11$ (rakeback) to 160$ dollars Just playing different Superturbos.
What i focused on when doing this was mostly in matrix SnGs, when i got up to around 60$. I was building pretty good did everything right for lets say 4 days maybe ONLY playing Supturbos. Then the 5th day or something i made a big mistake which i seem to do as soon as i get something going which im trying to improve everyday that is Moving up in limits TOO fast.. This was my downfall at this "adventure" now i mix them up when i play but cant seem to be that profitable by them no more.

Although they are FUNNY really great build whit the blinds raises etc by
full tilt!

Variance is a function of the probabilities of making each different cash. Thus, even within super turbo's, you need a larger bankroll to play a "aim for first" strategy compared to a "squeak into third" strategy assuming that you can obtain the same RIO using both strategies. Variance in these games is said to be higher because it is harder to obtain an extremely high RIO in these games.

If you obtain the same cash distribution (for example, 40% 1st, 40% 2nd, 30% 3rd) for different STTs with the same prize distribution, your variance will be the same regardless of the format so the fact that you are playing a super turbo does not mean that you need a bigger roll by itself.

At the low stakes, these are easily crush-able including the rake.

Play enough (~20) and it's harder to not win if you remotely know what you're doing due to pure variance.

Variance...? Otherwise you incorrectly changed your game during your downswing because you thought you were doing something wrong and are no longer playing a winning game.

I've never seen a matrix super-turbo. Do they actually run these or have you confused the super turbo's for standard Turbo's?

Kevkojak , they are pretty new but yes , they run them but just not 3.80$ buy in ones. So matrix sup turbo lowest buy in is 7.50 , then 14.50 and so on look it up!
They are extremly fun

these are for degenerates and people who have money.
strategy= push your good hands to the max.
if you are lucky enough to get 10-20 BB at some point you can play poker,
then if you ever are back below 10 BB or so its back to push/fold raiseaments/foldaments.

lol.

if you really think there's that much difference between regular SNGs, turbos and super-turbos, you just don't play them very well. There's only marginally more skill involved in regulars than in super turbos.

So if you what you mean is that SNGs are for generates and real poker players play deep stack cash games, then we can agree. Otherwise, you're just stating that you're not a very good SNG player to begin with.

This is showing your lack of experience of sng.It is a huge gap between turbo sng's an hyper-super whatever you want to call them.The pushing range from the very start of it is wide open from any an all postions at any bi levels in a turbo it is limited untill blinds go up to about 100-200 for the same pushing ranges.I'm not tring to disprove that in some subjects you might know more than me.But in this one i disagree with you an i will say my stats vs yours might say i know more on this subject than you.

P.S. to the op it is a luck -push fest lotto for the most part but there is skill in the calling an pushing ranges

Yes the pushing ranges are a lot wider from the start for super turbos. But with the slower sngs, you rarely have a lot of action at the low blinds levels unless you play microstakes, so in the end you still end up push-folding for the most part.

the skills required to beat the different SNG speeds are essentially the same. super turbos do have more variance than the turbos, and those have more variance than the regulars, but the games are really not that different strategy-wise.

The higher you go, the less that playing purely with optimal push/fold will work meaning that you need to be able to fight for chip position earlier on. You won't be able to stack fish earlier on but this doesn't mean you should just nit your way to push/fold territory as you'll be at a significant disadvantage when you start at a smaller chip stack and your push/fold edge is not that large. When you are very deep, there is the opportunity to "play poker" but because you need a higher +EV expectation, it's much harder to do so in SnGs than cash.

The skills required to beat the end game of SnGs is the same as the skills required to beat super turbos. The skills required to gain a chip edge early in a normal SnG is nonexistent in super turbos.

Also, as I stated before, the fact that games are super turbos has nothing to do with increased variance. If someone has the exact same cashing distribution in a super turbo as a normal SnG, they will have the same amount of variance. By saying that variance is higher in super turbos, you are essentially implying that there is a greater skill edge in normal SnGs than super turbos.

There's a couple vids on youtube I found. These look so fun: YouTube - The $3.50 Super-Turbo, A Microcosm of low limit poker?

Belgo maybe I didn't make an intelligent enough post.
at the start sure you have 10-20 BBs, but that rapidly deteriorates.
if you get a hand good enough to push with you'll do okay, but it's very easy to end up pushing a marginal hand in order to try to steal a pot/get lucky and double up when your M gets low.
A good player over the long run could show a profit in these against worse opponents (and in these $3-$10 buy-in games there would be less knowledgeable opponents around),
But the variance is high like was said, and you need a large BR for this reason.
The reason I said it's for degenerates and the rich is because of the high variance factor. Also I'm used to watching the > $100 buy-in Super Turbos (to play this you need to be rich in my opinion or okay with losing ^ $100 in a few minutes). and the degenerates who see it as a win big quick thing make it profitable in the long run for good/great players.
Maybe this post is more agreeable to you, I put more thought and explanation into it.

Wurly has also made many intelligent statements ^^.

yes. it is greater. No doubt whatsoever about that. Just not so much greater that it makes super-turbos an entirely different game from other SNGs that deserves to be called a lottery or other demeaning names.

People who think that way either underestimate the strategy involved in playing super turbos or the variance that one experiences when you play regular or turbo SNGs at mid or high stakes.

I think you have a pretty clear idea about these, btw. But most other people in this thread don't.

Depends on the players at your table.
If they play losse then wait until you got a good hand.
And vice versa....

i was playing in a superturbo 10buks to get in...n it was sick.........first place won like 1300....in a matter of 30 minutes...i made it pretty far too but lost as soon as i hit the money....suks....

all in or nothing in these....i would however play more hands it late position with decent cards.....any 60 40 gamble or better preflop im in

I think they are very hard to cash in because you gotta get lucky early and get dealt a good hand with no one else having a better one to call... they are tough to me... just dont like pushing all in.. seems like they are complete luck