Starting HU HTSNG @ Carbon

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I want to start this thread to let everyone see my progress and to allow people to tell me what I may be doing right or wrong. Today was my first day playing these and I am playing the $1 games hoping to move up soon. I did not get to play much because of school but I got a few games in. I know this is a very small sample size, but I am pleased with it so far. In less that 100 games I am already 26th on the leader board and plan to move farther up! wish me luck!Photo
 
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gl how many at a time? turbo?
 
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I'll send good luck, I will also say you should do screenshots from your computer not with your phone. Also being hyper style I hope u have at min 100bi br to be attempting this or I have a feeling we can see where it will end.

The HT style is high variance and you could easily hit a big downswing. But if you can post screenshots not pictures.
 
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I am only playing one hyper turbo at a time and I do agree that I need 100 buy ins but I started with 75 at the moment I am on a 13 dollar down swing but my ev shows I should only be down 5 dollars. I'm sure it can be worse.
 
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So today I really began to see how much discipline it really takes to play hyper turbo HUSNG. The swing are crazy but I managed to come out of what I thought was a point of no return. I really hope to see my ROI go up with more experience, but as of now I am struggling with 3 of the regs. Any other ppl I play I usually do good. Well here is my graph for the day and its off to bed for me.
 

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Good luck here on your journey.

The one thing about 100 buyins, ask yourself: "If I'm down 75 buyins, am I going to continue?" If the answer is no, you should not worry so much about 100 buyins (think about the max you'd risk to lose at this level, be realistic).

Be prepared for those days where you're up or down 10-20 buyins, they can go either way and very fast. Try not to think of success in terms of a single game, these only take about 25-33% the time to play as turbo speed games... so you might even consider 3-4 of these games equal to one turbo speed game (which should be well into the 100s if not 1000s of games before you make a conclusion of your winrate).

We've got some free videos in the link in my signature as well, embedded in that thread for hyper turbo HUSNGs.

Have fun on the grind, these are my favorite games due to the hand reading, constant action and correctness of playing such a high % of hands from both positions.
 
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Build up as fast as possible and go play the $30s on Bovada. Free money!
 
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Thanks so much for the input guys! At the moment I am taking a break to rebuild my BR at cash game where I am a winning player because I had two or three days where I fell ten or so buy ins each so I am studying. My $75 BR went to $35 and it really hurt my feelings but I have been told it could be worse so for now my focus is to find out if I am even a profitable player or not. I have a friend who is a winning player on these and he has been coaching as well as he can. It seems to him most of my leaks are post flop so this is what I'll be working on for the next week or so.
 
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I'd like to point out when playing these games long term you have to figure in loss on rake as well. When you win, you only win $2.12 and when you lose, you lose $1.10. So a win only nets you $1.02 profit. This means that to break even long term you must win 51.887%. So to be profitable at it, you must win 52% or higher. As well, 100 games really isn't enough games to determine profitability because it's far too small of a population to factor in the standard deviation caused by variance. Personally, I'd recommend at least 500 games to determine profitability, and just continue using your hand tracker to find the leaks in your heads up play. Also, remember that at this level you are going to run into a lot of people who aren't playing optimally because of minimal skill, so variance will be much higher. Once you begin to move up levels, you will find more skilled players in the heads up games. Lastly, HTHUSNGs often become bingo matches because the blinds jump up so quickly. So I'd recommend just trying turbos or regular HUSNGs. They take longer, but the fluctuations caused by variance aren't so severe because they allow for better long term play and judgement. I hope this helps.
 
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Thanks so much for the input guys! At the moment I am taking a break to rebuild my BR at cash game where I am a winning player because I had two or three days where I fell ten or so buy ins each so I am studying. My $75 BR went to $35 and it really hurt my feelings but I have been told it could be worse so for now my focus is to find out if I am even a profitable player or not. I have a friend who is a winning player on these and he has been coaching as well as he can. It seems to him most of my leaks are post flop so this is what I'll be working on for the next week or so.
post flop in HT, wtf is that LOL. j/k of course, but for the most part HT tends to be push/fold strat so generally if it gets to the flop often if you don't shove you will likely get shoved at just in my experience with some I have played here and there. Obv the structure determines if its completely push/fold, I know on stars you can get some postflop play but on FTP last i played (when 300 chips to start, not sure if they upped it to 500 for the heads up since or not) but with 300 chipies it tends to be push or fold and maybe limp to be pushed at with a big hand (some bstrds be sneaky like that lol).
 
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post flop in HT, wtf is that LOL. j/k of course, but for the most part HT tends to be push/fold strat so generally if it gets to the flop often if you don't shove you will likely get shoved at just in my experience with some I have played here and there. Obv the structure determines if its completely push/fold, I know on stars you can get some postflop play but on FTP last i played (when 300 chips to start, not sure if they upped it to 500 for the heads up since or not) but with 300 chipies it tends to be push or fold and maybe limp to be pushed at with a big hand (some bstrds be sneaky like that lol).

On Carbon there is a little more room to play the HTHUSNGs. They start with 1500 in chips and blinds start at 30-60, going up every 3 minutes. That being said, it is still a very fast form of heads up play and tends to turn into a shoving match after 10-15 minutes of play. I've found through solid play you can get a 2-1 chip lead most of the time by the start of the "shove fest" which can give a good player a decent advantage. Unfortunately, it still turns into bingo after the above mentioned time span, so even a 2-1 chip lead can be defeated with a little bit of negative variance. That's why I prefer turbo (which starts with 1500 in chips and 15-30 blinds @ 5 mins.) or regular (which starts with 1500 in chips and 15-30 blinds @ 10 mins.).
 
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Maybe ill move to those because as of today my $75 BR dropped to $15. I ran so bad that the regs were in disbelief. One of them called my all in with 23 just to see if they could beat my AK and sure enough I lost. I played in front of the guy that is coaching me and he was also in disbelief. I could not win an all in for anything no matter how up I was. I am starting to rethink playing the hyper games all together. If this kind of down swing is regular please let me know. Sorry about the rant but it just seems that this kind of thing don't happen and if it does not often.
 
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I aay move over to don 1.10 low variance and play loose agressive

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Fouble or nothing its very diffrent from hyper turbo but imo it could be easy way to make money just play lag limping or min. Raisjng small pp suited connecters and when yiu hit they wont know what hit them haha

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Looks like it's time to play a $10 MTT.
 
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Looks like it's time to play a $10 MTT.

As tempting as that sounds I know that is the wrong thing for me to do. I've grinded my way back from a spot like this before by playing mid stack strategy cash game so maybe it will work again. I'm not giving up on HU I just got to get rolled again and study. Maybe ill post a thread on going from $10 to $10k in 18 months on cash game lol.
 
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Im telling you the don is gonna be a br boost even if it is boring...besides itll teach you a better lesson if you did anything stupid to get there (not saying you did)

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I want to start this thread to let everyone see my progress and to allow people to tell me what I may be doing right or wrong. Today was my first day playing these and I am playing the $1 games hoping to move up soon. I did not get to play much because of school but I got a few games in. I know this is a very small sample size, but I am pleased with it so far. In less that 100 games I am already 26th on the leader board and plan to move farther up! wish me luck!View attachment 54332
how exactly where you tracking your leader bored progress? id like to check mine
 
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GL with this! Rooting for you!
 
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good luck with this!
i dont like hyper turbos because there is a standard ABC play that regulars know,so there is no value in them if you also consider the rake they take from the game.
on the other hand in this stakes it could be a value because there are many bad players.
let us know about your progress
 
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good luck! I've had such bad runs...(or maybe bad play) with these! Admittedly I've only played about 25....but out of those I've only won....well....I don't really want to admit that number right now....I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10 ;)

The thing is, as a result of studying HUSNGs, watching a bunch of videos and playing just a few; I've become a pretty strong heads up player when I play STTs now..I think it was really worth it to invest in playing some HUSNGs to polish up my end game.

Those newly learned skills don't really pay off for me in HUSNGs because the regs are different, they are experts. But in the STTs it is rarely a HU expert than I am facing. Tonight I came back from a 4:1 chip disadvantage at the start of HU in a 9 man STT to win 1st. It was a good feeling to KNOW, not just think but KNOW I was capable of winning even at a large chip disadvantage.

it's fun for sure! so, to make a short comment longer....Good Luck!
 
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GL with this! Rooting for you!

good luck with this!
i dont like hyper turbos because there is a standard ABC play that regulars know,so there is no value in them if you also consider the rake they take from the game.
on the other hand in this stakes it could be a value because there are many bad players.
let us know about your progress

good luck! I've had such bad runs...(or maybe bad play) with these! Admittedly I've only played about 25....but out of those I've only won....well....I don't really want to admit that number right now....I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10 ;)

The thing is, as a result of studying HUSNGs, watching a bunch of videos and playing just a few; I've become a pretty strong heads up player when I play STTs now..I think it was really worth it to invest in playing some HUSNGs to polish up my end game.

Those newly learned skills don't really pay off for me in HUSNGs because the regs are different, they are experts. But in the STTs it is rarely a HU expert than I am facing. Tonight I came back from a 4:1 chip disadvantage at the start of HU in a 9 man STT to win 1st. It was a good feeling to KNOW, not just think but KNOW I was capable of winning even at a large chip disadvantage.

it's fun for sure! so, to make a short comment longer....Good Luck!


Hey guys I don't think this person is still doing this challenge, I probably should have pmd them about what I asked rather then posting itt and bumping it lol woops :/

my bad <
 
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Im sorry guys I took a long break but I am back. And no I am not playing these anymore now that I have seen how hard it is to beat the rake. I moved back to cashgame.
 
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What cash games are you playing and how high is the rake?

It shouldn't be too too bad given it's $1 HUSNG level, but if you ever have a bankroll that allows you to play a few buyins higher, the rake decrease will be really nice.
 
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