Is SNGWiz useful for MTSNG's?

As the title says. Starting to play 18's-45's-180's/. Is SNGWiz a good investment?

I was under the impression that SnG wiz was more directed towards $equity, primary for STT's? I think of course it would be useful to a degree for MTT SnG's but I'm more inclined to think if I was buying it personally, I would be grinding out the 9mans exclusively.

It will mostly help with the 18-man, where ICM is very important at final table.

Not saying that not help in 45´s/180´s (it have a option to change $ev for chip-ev to use before final table) but a lot of players in 45/180 never use ICM and still get great results.

If you got the $ and plan to play 18´s for long time i think is a very good investment, if only is a try on the games and not sure wich ones will keep playing later, better wait a little.

GL Ben.

What buyins are you playing?.


Hint: there is a 45man and a 180man regulars thread in 2+2 if want to check it.

It's useful for turbo STT, anything else you may as well set fire to the $100 you invest, plus a heap of other profit you lose from making bad plays because of it.

SNG wizard is helpful for all SNGs. However, Wiz gives us 2 EV options to evaluate our push/fold play: $ EV and chip EV. $ EV is what most people refer to when they are evaluating an ICM decision. ICM or $ EV calculations work when we know everyone that is in the tourney and their stack sizes, which is why we use $ EV for 6 max and 9 man games. When we get to 18-180 games, before the final table, SNG wizard does not know who is left in the tourney and the stack sizes, so it cannot accurately calculate your equity in the tourney. Therfore, before the final table of multi table SNGs, we typically need to use chip EV to make our decisions, which SNG wizard can still calculate (and is the default option when evaluating your game in Wiz before the final table). However, when we do reach the final table of an 18, 45 man, etc...we can now get accurate ICm calculations using Wiz, so it will absolutely be helpful for final table push fold decisions.

So, SNG wizard is definitely helpful and probably the best tool to use for reviewing SNGs. You just need to know how to use it effectively, as its results are largely dependent on the ranges you input and you just need to know its flaws and when to use chip EV vs $ EV, like the situations I just described in MT SNGs. Make the investment.

Losched can you suggest any other tools necessary for MTSNG's?

I've only played 300 this month and have around $300 profit with an ABI of $2, but most have came from a 180 win for $220.

I currently 6-table- usually 3x $3.50 45man turbo's 1x $1.50 45man turbo and either 2 x $3.50 18man turbo or 2 x $2.50 180 man turbo.

I only use HEM atm and have a deuces cracked subscription.

When you say tools, do you mean software, videos, books, etc...?

As far as books, one of the best books to read is called Kill Everyone. A lot of MTT talk and some great chapters on SNGs. Some advanced play in there, but one of the best reads out there, especially in regards to the chapter on bubble factors.

As far as software, other than SNG Wiz and HEM to review your games, there is not much out there. Overall, you still need to have a solid SNG game (tight early, pick up chips in middle game, have a solid push/fold game), but as compared to 9 mans, it is more imperative that you come in first in these MT SNGs, as the prize pool is heavily weighted to first place, rather than just making the money. So you are doing what you can to chip up throughout the tourney, then when we hit the final table, we can use SNG Wiz to help evaluate our play, especially as we are close to the bubble, but again, all with the understanding that you need to do your best to finish in the top spot.

I just meant anything in genereal that can help me improve my game and spot my leaks. In terms of books, I've read Moshman's SNG strategy, HOH 1&2 and Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time 1&2. I review my play with the HEM replayer and that's about it. I remember emailing you about coaching, and would be interested in just sending HH's to review to see if you can identify anything. I am only subscribed to DC aswell for training. I think my endgame is pretty solid (push/fold), it's probably my start and midgame that needs work.

Yeah anytime man, would be happy to help. We can definitely go through some HH and see what's up. Check out Kill Everyone as well when you get a chance.

PM'd you

Agree with 180/45, not really sure about 18 man, they have a flat pay (40/30/20/10) versus the (50/30/20) in 9 man, so difference in 1st vs 2nd is a lot more in 9man, wich make me think we need a lot more the 1st places in 9 man, right?.

Ben how you running in the 18´s?, so far they look to me really soft.

Horribly lol, but really good at the 45's

That´s good, at least compensate.

I don´t play much the 45´s, around 20+ games but to be true because was playing 9 man forr several months, i find 18-man better for me than 45´s, so i think going to stick with those and not mixing any more.

GL in your games.

Not really that useful for MT SNG in my opinion. Most of it is just common sense stack based plays. And honestly, there is usually a more profitable/exploitable option than just shoving or folding. even with shortish stacks.

It can help with generally ranges i suppose, not so much in the early/midgame for 45's/180's. but for nearing the final table bubble and beyond it can be somewhat useful.

It's best use is for the 9 man turbo STT's, where we are constantly short, against good players and need to push very small edges.

If you want to be good at using this program, you first need to learn how it actually works.