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I'm having good success with the regular 9-handed SNG by playing a tight/aggressive game and then opening up a bit toward the late stages. I can manage ok to get to the silver, but when it comes to HU play, I am losing more than winning. I realize that this is due to my "nitting up" when it's the final two, and I realize that usually it's the more aggressive player who takes it down, but are there any general/specific tips on how to push through this wall when it comes to HU? Thank you in advance ;)
 
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I'm having good success with the regular 9-handed SNG by playing a tight/aggressive game and then opening up a bit toward the late stages. I can manage ok to get to the silver, but when it comes to HU play, I am losing more than winning. I realize that this is due to my "nitting up" when it's the final two, and I realize that usually it's the more aggressive player who takes it down, but are there any general/specific tips on how to push through this wall when it comes to HU? Thank you in advance ;)

Have you tried putting in some time at the low stakes HUSNG tables? It's a ton of fun and you'll be able to practice HU without waiting for a tournament to dwindle to two.

I would say the easiest thing to do is focus on playing in position. Raise that button. Cbet. Mmmm.
 
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If you are multi tabling try focusing more on that table and being agressive.
If that doesn't work try riding some stuff (for example, Kill Everyone has a section just for HU play)
 
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Have you tried putting in some time at the low stakes HUSNG tables? It's a ton of fun and you'll be able to practice HU without waiting for a tournament to dwindle to two.

I would say the easiest thing to do is focus on playing in position. Raise that button. Cbet. Mmmm.


Steve, that is a great idea. TBH, I had not considered the possibility of going to the HUSNG, doh, but you're right, that would be a great way of shaping up my HU play.

And yes, position matters just as much, if not more, when HU. I've been kicking away junk hands when OOP HU and probably that's a lot of my problem too.


If you are multi tabling try focusing more on that table and being agressive.
If that doesn't work try riding some stuff (for example, Kill Everyone has a section just for HU play)

Warturtle, for now I'm just single-tabling so all of my attention is on the one game, but you are right about my needing to be more aggressive. I do have that book and I learned a lot from it, but obv I need to reread it again because I probably didn't go through the HU section nearly enough.


Thanks both for the feedback!
 
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Steve, that is a great idea. TBH, I had not considered the possibility of going to the HUSNG, doh, but you're right, that would be a great way of shaping up my HU play.

And yes, position matters just as much, if not more, when HU. I've been kicking away junk hands when OOP HU and probably that's a lot of my problem too.

One of the really fun parts about HUSNG is extracting value from garbage hands in position.
 
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a great way to practice is by playing hyper turbo hu games, the blinds are similiar in terms of depth to 9mans
 
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a great way to practice is by playing hyper turbo hu games, the blinds are similiar in terms of depth to 9mans

How many BB do you start with in hypers? 10? Seems more shallow than STT SNG endgame
 
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a great way to practice is by playing hyper turbo hu games, the blinds are similiar in terms of depth to 9mans

Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the tip!
 
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Will Tipton's book is really good, but it can be a bit of an intimidating read for a newer player. You might want to start with Mersenneary's free ebook, it has a lot of great, practical advice.

It's hard to give a lot of general advice to you that will help your specific situation, but playing tight does stand out as something you do not want to do in short stack heads up poker. The quickest way to win money against someone is by them folding too much on their button, and out of position.

In fact, the biggest leaks that most expert coaches in this game see from lower stakes students is that they are folding far too many hands in the big blind. Positional advantage is reduced as stack sizes decrease, that combined with only being 2 handed is going to make the correct strategy to play so many more hands OOP than you're used to in most other games.
 
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Will Tipton's book is really good, but it can be a bit of an intimidating read for a newer player. You might want to start with Mersenneary's free ebook, it has a lot of great, practical advice.

It's hard to give a lot of general advice to you that will help your specific situation, but playing tight does stand out as something you do not want to do in short stack heads up poker. The quickest way to win money against someone is by them folding too much on their button, and out of position.

In fact, the biggest leaks that most expert coaches in this game see from lower stakes students is that they are folding far too many hands in the big blind. Positional advantage is reduced as stack sizes decrease, that combined with only being 2 handed is going to make the correct strategy to play so many more hands OOP than you're used to in most other games.

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Are....donk bets OK in HUSNG?
 
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Ryan-

Are....donk bets OK in HUSNG?

Donk bets can be OK, yes.

Here's a video I did a long time ago on donk bets, but it explains the basics of why (and why not) to make them.


If you don't have time to watch the video, basically avoid donk betting a lot if someone continuation bets a lot. This is because with a bluff, you want the maximum amount of fold equity after they put their chips into the pot with a cbet (if they are cbetting tons of bluffs, why would you bet and not let them bluff before you check raise? AKA check raise is often better than donk bet vs a guy that cbets a ton). And for value betting, if a guy is cbetting a ton, it means he has a lot of bluffs (as mentioned in the last example), so why would you bet and let him fold all those bluffs that he'd otherwise bet into your value hand?

Therefore, donk betting makes the most sense on certain board textures against players that don't cbet (or don't cbet in certain situations).

have you checked out this thread yet?

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/all-tools-needed-beat-heads-up-229407/

It's a really long thread, but lots of good content. even just watching a handful of the free videos has helped me immensely.

Thanks, appreciate the recommendation!
 
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Positional advantage is reduced as stack sizes decrease, that combined with only being 2 handed is going to make the correct strategy to play so many more hands OOP than you're used to in most other games.

This is precisely what I am doing. Thank you again, Ryan, for the HU help ;)


have you checked out this thread yet?

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/all-tools-needed-beat-heads-up-229407/

It's a really long thread, but lots of good content. even just watching a handful of the free videos has helped me immensely.

Yes, I ran across it a couple of weeks ago, and I am absorbing those videos like a sponge. Lots of great info there. Thanks Ryan for sharing these, and thanks MissJacki for the mention!
 
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Ryan-

Are....donk bets OK in HUSNG?

There is no move that's illegal in poker, unless you're doing it to purposefully cheat. Donk betting is and should be a part of a good players arsenal, meaning that they have the knowledge to spot the opportunity and to understand why it's correct to donk bet, the ability to apply it and experience to know what to expect in the situation.

Just because it's okay to donk bet, doesnt mean you should blindly donk bet K72r flops :)
 
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you have to practice a lot.thin the difference between 1st and 2nd place payout to understand how important this is..play aggresive,raise with possition,cbet most of times,3bet much with marginal hands
 
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I'm having good success with the regular 9-handed SNG by playing a tight/aggressive game and then opening up a bit toward the late stages. I can manage ok to get to the silver, but when it comes to HU play, I am losing more than winning. I realize that this is due to my "nitting up" when it's the final two, and I realize that usually it's the more aggressive player who takes it down, but are there any general/specific tips on how to push through this wall when it comes to HU? Thank you in advance ;)

If your opponent is playing tight preflop, feel free to attack him almost every hand, while on the button.
If your opponent is often made ​​the call preflop, but takes off on an empty flop, make a small raise before the flop and cbet place is also not very large. Thus, you get to see your opponent often flop, and at the same time not much risk your chips on the flop, so the opponent will not kolirovat if nothing is caught, etc.
 
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Bear, if you are still getting absolutely nowhere heads-up, try playing the exact opposite way, just randomly out of the blue...

This may sound a bit nuts and feel strange at first but there is some method to the madness!

When we have a very tight table image and our raises get too much respect, we can often-times just start raising high with hands which we don't want our opponent to call with at all simply for the fold equity. With the blinds only getting higher it is a perfect time for us to start stealing, especially if they have been running us over previously when the blinds were lower.

Then, it's just a matter of raising less or limping and calling with premium hands that we actually want to induce calls and raises with in order to get more chips into the pot. We can lightly bet or even check any flops which we hit strong, and then bet stronger on the flops which we don't actually want to continue to showdown with most of the time.

The other important thing to remember is, if our opponent is aggressively playing with around a 75% range, and we've only been playing around a 25% range, it is probably okay to call their all-ins or push them all-in when we have caught something we like and they have caught something they appear to like.

It's a bit hard to generalise as every opponent is different, but as soon as we work out what kind of style they are playing we can exploit them. But yeah, if all else fails, we can just play the exact opposite way to how we have been playing. At the very least we'll put some indecision in their mind and mess up all of their assumed tells about what kind of player we are.

Heads-up is also a lot about the variance so we shouldn't be too hard on ourselves if we do lose a few in a row, even when playing too tight. It is common for loose pros like Tom Dwan to have bad swings of 5 or 6 heads-up games in a row.

Anyway, I'm probably repeating useless information by now so I'll just leave a quote from my favourite heads-up pro player, Huck Seed:

"A lot of the time, when you are heads-up with a good player and they check the flop, it usually means they have something."
 
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Yes as everyone else has said practice HU sit n go's in low stake SNG's
I feel that if another player is just as good as me in HU, that it will always end up in a flip situation.
You have to learn to beat the game, poker is constantly evolving. Again, practice makes perfect.
 
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When it comes to HU it comes to luck to be honest...The best advice would be not to be to passive in HU, especially if you run into a very aggressive player...
 
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I think that this link can help you with your query. http://www.headsupsitandgo.com/
There you can read about the push/fold range which depends on how many bb do you have at the moment.
Good luck
 
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I played a lot of heads ups. And my strategy was to give less when I have a bad hand, and take more when I have a good hand. For me, it always works. Always. Throw a very good card, if the flop does not fit. And always a minimum raise, if I have a strong hand. Any excess chips, each worth its weight in gold!
Be aggressive, never rely on a very strong hand pre flop, and you will have a chance to win.
 
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Sir Bear if ever you need any HU practice give me a shout and we can play some games in Sarah's room, not sure how I missed this thread till now.
 
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