Small PP's in SNG's

#1 27th February 2011, 12:50 PM

By small PP I mean 22 - 77

How do you guys play small PPs to extract most value in SNG's? I know they're mostly played for set value as a speculative hand and so I assume in low-mid blinds UTG they're mucked.

How about MP and LP in low blinds?
I almost always raise in LP as it gives me a chance to win right there, or show strength for post flop play (I don't like limping ever) but is this a big leak iny my game?

Obviously in late game and bubble play I use them to push if i'm shortstacked or steal if im big stack.

Any input would be much appreciated to help me play these PP's better.

Thanks.

#2 27th February 2011, 1:03 PM

sounds like you got it figured out usually dumping all those during low and mid blind play from EP maybe 77 or 66 i might raise from later position usually only raising like 22-44 on the button only and that is even blind villain dependent. As the blinds get higher you can use them to shove with as you mentioned. Also as the blinds get higher we are looking to call down light but little pairs are not great for this so keep that in mind as well.

Also as far as set-mining goes make sure you are getting the right implied odds cause in general once you get to 30 blinds or less you wont be.

#3 28th February 2011, 12:41 AM

Ok cheers man, I've heard something about the 4/8 rule or something for working out implied odds of hitting a set? Any ideas what I might be refering to? (could be 2/4 rule or something)

#4 1st March 2011, 1:51 AM

well the 2/4 rule actually known as the 4/2 rule is referring to straight pot odds. its the number of outs we have x 4 on the flop and x 2 on the turn that is our equity in the hand.

for set-mining we use implied odds which means how much we get when villain stacks off when we hit our set. In stt's we generally need implied odds of at least 15-1 now this may vary slightly depending on size of our pair, stack sizes, position etc.(like all decisions).

#5 1st March 2011, 1:59 AM

Don't set mine in SNGs unless it's first level, or you have to throw a chip in from the SB in a multiway limped pot.

don't raise with small pairs either, unless you are open shoving or restealing against a loose range w/some fold equity.

#6 1st March 2011, 1:54 PM

I don't think raising from LP with small pockets in low blinds is a leak, unless you bugger things up post flop.

You'll often win the blinds, and if you get 3-bet you need to decide whether you have implied odds to call.

You flop a set 1/8 times; so decide if you'll be able to get at least 8x what you need to call when you do flop a set.

BTW, did you mean the 5-10 rule that says: Feel free to gamble with speculative hands for less than 5% of your stack, don't call off more than 10% of your stack, and make a decision based on other factors in between.

#7 2nd March 2011, 1:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loopmeister

I don't think raising from LP with small pockets in low blinds is a leak, unless you bugger things up post flop.

You'll often win the blinds, and if you get 3-bet you need to decide whether you have implied odds to call.

You flop a set 1/8 times; so decide if you'll be able to get at least 8x what you need to call when you do flop a set.

BTW, did you mean the 5-10 rule that says: Feel free to gamble with speculative hands for less than 5% of your stack, don't call off more than 10% of your stack, and make a decision based on other factors in between.

Yeah that sounds like it, the 5-10 rule. I know the 4/2 rule but I remembered reading something about set value and implied odds. Musta been the 5-10 rule.

#8 2nd March 2011, 10:47 PM

You and your opponent should be both have the 15 x size of the limp (or raise, if it was raised) in your stack, because you often wont get the whole stack of your opponents (for instance)...

#9 16th March 2011, 12:33 PM

Had never heard of the 5-10 rule before, cheers for explaining!

#10 16th March 2011, 11:22 PM

In EP with low blinds I'm generally mucking unless the table is soooo passive that I reckon a limp will get through. In MP I'm still with the same tactic and it's only in LP that I'll consider raising for the reasons the OP and others mention.

#11 17th March 2011, 12:03 AM

Generally limping is a bad idea no matter, but with a low PP it's not a horrible idea especially if they table is full of donks. If you hit that, you're golden bro! Set mining too much can have it's disadvantages though. Do what your gut tells you too.

#12 21st March 2011, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel72

You and your opponent should be both have the 15 x size of the limp (or raise, if it was raised) in your stack, because you often wont get the whole stack of your opponents (for instance)...

yah this ^
you don't want to be raising & flatting a 3bet in a SNG w sm pr's. (unless you're playing a CC game that is... flatting with 1/2 ur stack is good to go!)

#13 21st March 2011, 10:30 AM

Ideally I want to see a flop for as little money as possible. If I'm the first to act pre-flop then I'll normally always raise except when I'm in early position in which case I'll normally muck 22-66 and maybe play 77. I suppose if you mix up your play from time to time and occasionally play 33 from early position, it's easy to get away from the flop if you miss and you will probably get paid off if you hit.

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