| This is a discussion on Shove to Induce Call 1st Hand of 9 Player SnG within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; Hi all, when dealt AA or KK in BB on the very first hand of a single table SnG with 4 - 5 limpers - ... |
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| Shove to Induce Call 1st Hand of 9 Player SnG Hi all, when dealt AA or KK in BB on the very first hand of a single table SnG with 4 - 5 limpers - especially one from UTG - is a large raise or a shove more likely to induce a call? It seems on the rare occasions that I have such good holdings in this situation that a 6x - 8x BB (sometimes even as low as 4xBB) raise usually causes folding all around. In other games where the Premium PP is in someone else's hands, given some limpers - they shove and usually gets at least one caller sometimes more. So the question is, does a first hand shove get more callers than a "proper raise" due to players thinking the shover is an idiot/donk or whatever, and if I am holding such a hand and want the callers will I get a caller with a shove when the same individual may have folded to a pre flop raise? I guess taking all of the limped bets is nice, but I would rather get better action. Should I lower my raise to a min raise or even just 3xBB raise hoping for a re-raise/shove or one or two callers? Any thoughts appreciated. And this is only dealing with BB or SB play. |
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| With 4 or 5 limpers I actually don't think it's such a bad play to move big early in micro tourney. There is an excellent chance you will get called by that a-j who just limped. Personally i would prefer to 3bet and add a bb for every limper. I am confident in my play and feel I don't need to flop cards so early. Remember that any ace rag can take down your kk by flopping an ace so it's simply not worth the risk to me so early on. |
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| With that many limpers I would definitely push at the beginning. Psych wise IO think a villian will be more likely to call just BC its the first hand and he hasnt spent too much time in the tourny. As you go on, ppl want to make the time they invested into something. But at the very first hand they are more likely to call for that reason |
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If you take down the pot pre, that's a good result, or at least, it's better than offering implied odds and stacking off when you fall behind. Hopefully, you'll get no more than two callers (getting heads-up would be ideal), and you can feel more comfortable about getting stacks in without improving on the flop. |
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| Yeah I hate shoving so early, but it seems a good raise just causes most to fold and I would like to get a caller early; if they suck out so be it... but I guess better to take the pot there either way... I was just wondering if the donkish shove might encourage a call sometimes... these are $5 SnGs afterall. |
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| U want heads up no matter what, if a shhove will get that then do it, but most likely the best play is a pot bet or somewhat bigger, to get rid of the limpers. with a pot bet probally some idiot is going to go all in anyway, so u get what u want. but if it is on fulltilt, then ur probally drawing dead. |
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| With 4 or 5 limpers someone is going to hit the flop and then your AA or KK is only just a pair. I think you shove preflop and hope you get a caller if not you win the blinds. If there were only 1 or 2 limpers then a larger raise might be worth the risk to see the flop. The big pair hands with alot of limpers to see the flop is win small and lose big "EV". |
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| I don't mind this play at all. I have seen people shoving from the BB on the first hand with total rubbish, just to steal a pot, and I've seen people call with A6o/KQ/88 etc. The psychology is easy to figure out. I think the OP is right that the all in can induce a call because it looks weak. Also, with 4/5 limpers you need a good size raise (10BB?) to clear the field but if UTG calls the rest might feel priced in and you are OOP. And to get the raise right to remove all but one opponent is hard to judge. Shove it all in and if everyone folds enjoy your chip lead and play on the fact that everyone will think you are an idiot. |
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| re: Shove to Induce Call 1st Hand of 9 Player SnG poker Thanks all for input - last night I was dealt KK first hand, and situation arose as in my OP 6 limpers and the SB completes. Instead of shoveing, I actually made the bet 500t (1/3 starting stack) - all fold to the small blind, who types "1st hand huh?" I dont answer him, and then he shoves... with KJo... I call of course and after his elimination, I type "yup, 1st hand" lol. Don't know if I like the 500c bet - worked well this time, so I will have to play around with this situation when it occurs, and try a few differant bet amounts and track to see where I get the most action. |
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I'll answer the last part first... NEVER just put out a min-raise with a big pp in the blinds in early levels. If they've limped in they're all going to call the minraise as they'll all be priced in (if they don't call they have problems). idk about shoving pre with it... if you find players will occassionally call off to a shove (thinkin'.. "what a f'n donkey.. why would they shove there?") then I suppose go for it (prob depends what buyin level you're playing... I'm assuming it's micros?). Not sure how often you'd need to get called on the shove (in the longrun) for it to be a more profitable play??? Personally I'd raise it up 4bb +1bb for each limper. |
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| I lol at the title because it made me think of the guys who go all in either first hand or even very early but do it either UTG or with no limper's before them . they end up with a $15 pot . I just type " nice pot " . so after reading the title I thought , oh thats what they are doing , shoving to induce a call .lol. but I understand what you are thinking and proved , some will call light just because they think you're shoving light . but I think you got it right the last time and maybe switch it up sometimes to a 3 or 4 bet just to get more callers and gamble . like you said ... if they suck out so be it . lol . JMO do not try this at home |
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| I would pot raise to thin the field. If they fold, they fold. Better to win a small pot with AA/KK than to lose a big one. It is likely that you will get at least one caller so you just have to hope that your big pair holds up. Also, be willing to lay it down if you catch a bad flop vs 2 or more players. |
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