re-buys, add-ons

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  #1
23rd June 2009, 2:14 AM
popiques
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: yes
re-buys, add-ons

we have all experienced rebuy tournaments, here is how i see things in such a tourney. in my opinion you should only rebuy, add-on only once. why? you will ask, because it' s clearly since you are lossing that you re not playing your best poker and should just end it there before you lose more money.
I do not have a statistic in this sense but i think in most cases the tournament winner didn't rebuyed or used an add-on.
I guess the question is: AM i paranoiac to think this way? is this a good judgment? Thank you.
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  #2
23rd June 2009, 2:33 AM
Troegenator
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
If im playing bad i never rebuy.If i lose on a bad beat i dont rebuy either cause i usually play angry after that.Come to think of it i dont like rebuy tournaments.
  #3
23rd June 2009, 2:40 AM
dj11
 
Poker at: PSFTUBPOSB&O
Game: Horse.
Rebuys will test you and your bankroll.

Not paranoid, but perhaps overly cautious. If you are playing over your bankroll you shouldn't be playing rebuys.

There is a mindset that thinks you have to rebuy as often as necessary if you join these. Something like get as much insanity going on at your table, and as many chips in play at your table with the expectation that you will win them all back.

I have tried both ways and much prefer to hit big early and not have to rebuy. But I've reought 10 times and barely made my money back as well.

Several successfull players here approach rebuys (higher buy-in rebuys) like this;
Rebuy once immediately (before the first hand ideally), and add-on at the break. They generally won't re-buy willy nilly like the aforementioned insaniacs.
  #4
23rd June 2009, 2:45 AM
bredstik
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
My strategy is to not rebuy and just add-on at the break if I'm still around.
  #5
23rd June 2009, 5:14 AM
langrealtor
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
I do not enjoy playing in any rebuy or add on tournaments. I've always felt that it gives an unfair advantage to people who want to keep on re-investing. We should all start on an equal plane and go from there.
  #6
23rd June 2009, 6:35 PM
natsgrampy
 
Online Poker at: bodog
Game: holdem
I don't like rebuy tourneys. I think an add-on is OK. Players seem to play any 2 cards when they know ,if they lose, they don't "go home". I don't like being on the losing end of someone who goes all in with crap and I have a legitimate hand , only to get donked out. It makes me want to just not play anything, just wait til the rebuy period ends, add on, then play my game.
  #7
25th June 2009, 3:15 AM
KAR1982
 
Poker at: Doyles Room
Game: holdem
re: re-buys, add-ons poker

Rebuying can end up costing you way more then you want to spend. Its a bad idea if the cards are just not in your favor, even if u did win some cash you still might end up losing or not making any profit. The best thing would be to wait till the next tourney.

Adding on can be very helpful depending on where your chip stack is at, if someone has such a huge lead, then it may not pay.
  #8
25th June 2009, 8:46 PM
IhateRiver
 
Online Poker at: DoylesRoom
Game: holdem
hi

Rebuy and Add ons are very efficient

Id rather play rebuy than a freezout tournament

Once i rebuyed 4 times on bwin in a tournament and won it

If it would be a freezout i would never win it

Cheers
  #9
25th June 2009, 11:27 PM
ihtennis
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: hold em'
i never rebuy in tournaments because in tournaments i play in, the rebuy costs more than the entry to the tournament. Also, if id did rebuy, i would probably blow my money again, still being upset at how i lost my chips in the first place
  #10
26th June 2009, 7:21 AM
jordanbillie
 
Online Poker at: Cake
Game: PLO/O8
Rebuys are great because it creats a deeper stacked tournament after the first break. I will always rebuy IMMEDIATELY and then try to build up a stack, I will take chances to double up and if I miss, I just double rebuy and try again.

P.S. You should always addon, no matter if you are the massive chip leader, ALWAYS ADDON!
  #11
26th June 2009, 7:23 AM
coolnout
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I thought a good rule to follow in general when it came to rebuys was to limit it to the amount of the lowest payout?
  #12
26th June 2009, 7:37 AM
Lemlywinks
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj11
Several successfull players here approach rebuys (higher buy-in rebuys) like this;
Rebuy once immediately (before the first hand ideally), and add-on at the break. They generally won't re-buy willy nilly like the aforementioned insaniacs.
QFT

-Rebuy @ very beginning

-1 Double-rebuy assuming the blind structure gives you enough blinds to still be a contender. (Don't rebuy for 3k if the blinds are 150/300 etc)

-And always add-on

This is usually how I approach rebuys and more often than not you don't even need the double-rebuy
  #13
26th June 2009, 8:02 AM
RA2000
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: holdem
Many people play a rebuy much more aggressiv...
So you should be able to rebuy once.
And take the add on if you ned it.
But you canīt say that you a playing bad. Maybe you got a few suck outs cause other peploe got very lucky....
  #14
26th June 2009, 5:02 PM
Tom1559
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
re: re-buys, add-ons poker

I try to avoid these tourneys completely. You are right about the losing but they they suck you in and you think one one, one more, one more etc. Before you know it you have blown a big part of your bank roll for nothing.
  #15
28th June 2009, 2:30 AM
langrealtor
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
I played in a rebuy tournament yesterday. Everytime I would get in the lead, there would be re-buys and I would have to fight my way back. If I am going to spend the money, I'd rather play in a higher money tournament.
  #16
29th June 2009, 2:13 AM
KAR1982
 
Online Poker at: Doyles Room
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by langrealtor
I played in a rebuy tournament yesterday. Everytime I would get in the lead, there would be re-buys and I would have to fight my way back. If I am going to spend the money, I'd rather play in a higher money tournament.
I agree, why spend so much rebuying, when you can just play a higher tourney!
  #17
30th June 2009, 1:23 AM
popiques
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: yes
thank you all for your answers, i recently played a rebuy tournament and i finished on a decent position 53/3600. without no rebuy, only an add-on.
  #18
30th June 2009, 1:30 AM
kannonball
 
Online Poker at: fulltilt
Quote:
Originally Posted by popiques
we have all experienced rebuy tournaments, here is how i see things in such a tourney. in my opinion you should only rebuy, add-on only once. why? you will ask, because it' s clearly since you are lossing that you re not playing your best poker and should just end it there before you lose more money.
I do not have a statistic in this sense but i think in most cases the tournament winner didn't rebuyed or used an add-on.
I guess the question is: AM i paranoiac to think this way? is this a good judgment? Thank you.
I usually play this way as well...one rebuy...and if I do make it to add on...if...big if(lol) I m not too far behind then i will add on...good thread here
  #19
30th June 2009, 5:15 PM
Pokerdude420
 
Poker at: FTP
Game: Omaha Hi Lo
FEEL

Its all about feel for me..If i have a table full of donks and I get riverd or get a cooler i will rebuy up to 3 times....and add on
  #20
2nd July 2009, 2:56 AM
langrealtor
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
I played another rebuy tournament last night. It will be the last. To me they don't make any sense. People take chances, which they normally would not, knowing they can just rebuy. The rewards are not worth the investment.
  #21
5th July 2009, 5:35 AM
jdeliverer
 
Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE now
re: re-buys, add-ons poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by popiques
thank you all for your answers, i recently played a rebuy tournament and i finished on a decent position 53/3600. without no rebuy, only an add-on.
You should always rebuy at the beginning BTW.

And just because you went deep on only one addon doesn't mean that it was the best strategy.

One thing many of the top players do in rebuy tournaments is to play crazy aggressive at the beginning and if they build up a huge stack, that's great. If they don't, they keep rebuying and rebuying. Why? Because it gets more chips on the table, and they know they can outplay the other players and take the chips from them after the rebuy period ends.

So don't be too quick to say you should only use one rebuy and one addon. If this is how you play rebuy tournaments, you're probably better off playing freezeouts TBH.
  #22
5th July 2009, 5:36 AM
jdeliverer
 
Online Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE now
Quote:
Originally Posted by langrealtor
People take chances, which they normally would not, knowing they can just rebuy.
I missed the part where this is bad for you?
  #23
5th July 2009, 7:50 AM
ted80
 
Poker at: bodog
Game: holdem
to re-buy hurts my pride. so do add-ons. it seems not fair. i'm not chippin out of my bankroll for a mulligan. if its a freeroll...why buy? use the skills you have over the idiots that re-buy over and over again. they're your bank of america of chips. of course you're gonna get donked out from time to time in any re-buy. i think the only time i've done a re-buy or an add-on was when playersonly gave me 20 gold chips they said expire in 5 days, so i used that as an excuse to donk-shove, re-buy, and add-on.

maybe its just me. i feel more accomplished if i'm ITM without an addon or re-buy. one way i try to think about it is...later on in a tourney, that rebuy or that add-on is only gonna be 1 blind, or half a blind at that. yeah when the blinds are 150-200 or whatever when the add-on period starts, it makes a difference but...if you really need it...maybe its not your night.
  #24
5th July 2009, 5:05 PM
josh_dei8
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
Rebuys are too much like freerolls. Too many people will play ATC in hopes of double or triple ups. I think its best if you play these to play tight, make your move with premium hands, or the nuts, or second nuts if you are getting involved in the hand. I prefer not to rebuy, but I will add on.
  #25
5th July 2009, 5:55 PM
trewtrew
 
Poker at: Full tilt
Game: ANYTHING!!
i never addon as the amount of chips u usually get in relation to stack sizes is too small. this is when i play rebuys at full tilt. Addon period is an hour into the tourney where the average stack is about 7500-8000 so adding on 1500 chips for me is not worth it.
  #26
5th July 2009, 6:22 PM
Chiefer
 
Game: hold 'em
I played 2 rebuys yesterday. I went in with a stategy of thinking that I will rebuy immediatly and add on at the break. Play tight simply because most of the players are willing to play for all their chips with marginal hands. Exploit these players with you big hands, see cheap flops in posistion and basically hope to hit big. I did this on the first game and cashed.

The second game, I forgot to rebuy at the start but as it turned out, I didn't really have to. I built a decent stack before the break with my original buy in and added on at the break. I cashed in that one as well.

I don't have a large sample of these games to go on, but from what I've played of them, a tight approach in the early stages are the best way to go, at least for me.

Obviously, this won't work all the time as variance is a vicious life sucking beast.
  #27
5th July 2009, 7:16 PM
robert_wrath
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Stud, Razz
Re Buy tournaments is based strategically on how to & when to do it. One may consider the following which has given me much success:

- Purchase ( 1 ) along with your initial buy in, This is a must to eliminate others who follow.

- Prepare to Double Re Buy up to ( 5 ) times till the 1st intermission. You must be willing to die in order to live. It's all a survival game. Players without the proper bankroll for these events DO NOT belong here. You're Dead Money in this tournament 90% of the time if you can't afford to make buy in's.

- Always acquire the Add On option. If a rare double add on is allowed, so be it a follow. If your chip stack is under 5K - 7K, don't bother purchasing the add on.

The method described here may sound expensive, but these events require drastic measures to gain the upper hand on your opposition. Remember - the best is the one with the most. This is the reason why the tournament is called a Re Buy. Take advantage of it.

Last edited by robert_wrath : 5th July 2009 at 7:27 PM.
  #28
5th July 2009, 9:43 PM
jdeliverer
 
Online Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE now
re: re-buys, add-ons poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_wrath
Re Buy tournaments is based strategically on how to & when to do it. One may consider the following which has given me much success:

- Purchase ( 1 ) along with your initial buy in, This is a must to eliminate others who follow.

- Prepare to Double Re Buy up to ( 5 ) times till the 1st intermission. You must be willing to die in order to live. It's all a survival game. Players without the proper bankroll for these events DO NOT belong here. You're Dead Money in this tournament 90% of the time if you can't afford to make buy in's.

- Always acquire the Add On option. If a rare double add on is allowed, so be it a follow. If your chip stack is under 5K - 7K, don't bother purchasing the add on.

The method described here may sound expensive, but these events require drastic measures to gain the upper hand on your opposition. Remember - the best is the one with the most. This is the reason why the tournament is called a Re Buy. Take advantage of it.
I agree with all of this except the thing about low chips stacks shouldn't get the addon. You should always add on.
  #29
5th July 2009, 10:06 PM
Jodieblonde
 
Poker at: fulltilt
Game: holdem
I've only played a few add on/rebuy tournaments and I've seens so many rebuy and rebuy and then eventually they are out. Seems like they are either bad players or have some reall bad luck. I try to not rebuy and usually won't.
  #30
6th July 2009, 8:47 PM
unchosen
 
Online Poker at: fulltilt
Game: NL Holdem
I play them just like any other tourney. I try not re-buy or add-on unless I lost all/most of my chips on a big pot or I am short stack and I need more chips to help me stay in the tourney. I seen many players who just go all in until they double up. I recommend that you don't do that because I experimented with it and I lost about 20 all ins before I won once. I was pushing with any two cards. Fortunately the re-buys was only $0.50 cents so I did not lose that much.
  #31
6th July 2009, 9:31 PM
Tbirdbully
 
I always rebuy right away and do the add-on..otherwize you start at a disadvantage from the get go to about half the tourney entrys. Your equity to win a tourney goes up. Most that dont rebuy or add on IF they make the money will barely place...
  #32
6th July 2009, 11:55 PM
ImolAyrton
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO
The best strategy is to rebuy immediately

If you start with 1,5k chips, do a rebuy and you got 3k chips.. Shove easier hands so you can double up to 6k.. Keep do a double rebuy till you double to 6k chips than you got about 3,5 average and than start playing your normal game.
 



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