Originally Posted by MediaBLITZ
Dude - do what works versus your competition. Most books and forum advice do not address this. Keep studying and learning and adding to your bag of tricks - but realize you can also end up up playing over your competition's head and your play ends up getting no respect which can mean unexpected results. Besides playing good solid cards you have to also consider protecting your stack and outlasting the others. This can give some very black and white plays (especially in a cash game) some gray area. Getting to this requires more implentation of making ecellent reads and knowing your competition. A top pro once told me reads were EVERYTHING. I honestly didn't get it at the time. Just treated it like another consideration on the list. But now I know at this point in a tourney - protecting your stack is number 1 priority and reads are EVERYTHING. I know a lot of guys are saying you have to go on the coin flip - but it's just not entirely true, especially if you feel like you are in control of the table. They say you will have to win some coinflips to get in the money - but that's not entirely true if the field is small - like most daily casino tourneys.
They also fail to mention the other side. Yeah, you may have to win some coinflips to run deep, but you may also have to make some big laydowns to stay alive. Stay balanced and practice making reads.
But KK should have been bet much heavier preflop in this case - into the area that it would have/should have been a shove for you. You made it a little bit too easy for Ax to come along.
I think that you made some good points here I mean if you get a read that you are preety confident with you should go with it and not play by the book as in the example of push/fold ,comitment or because the maths say its the right play .
For example the book says that you shouldnt really fold if you have comited 1/3 of your stack, but what happens if you had equity on the flop you invest 1/3 of your stack and an ugly card falls on the turn, you get a read that your beaten , so fold forget comitment or the maths.
Imo as much as playing good fundemental poker is important we need to adjust to how our oponents are playing witch is why reading our oponents is so important.
As much it is important to be agressive in tornaments to win, I also agree that survival and protecting you chips is being overestimated ( how many times have you been really short , waited patiently , doubled up and won the tornament)
personally if i think i have an edge over the oposition i try to avoid flips, but this is hugely dependant on stack sizes and stage of tornament. if im shortstacked then im happy to flip, because having more chips = being able to use skill to outplay weaker oponents to get more chips( this is where balence is important , protecting chips vs acumilating more chips , more chips= better chance of winning). Also later in the tornament where blind/stack ratio is high i will also be more willing to take a flip , at this stage if you are not prepared to gamble , you may well get eaten by the blinds.
With the KK i was trying to induce action from the bb, I would play KK against Ax all day long , what im questioning is weather i should have
a) shoved , which would look like a steal or semi strong hand, giving my oponent a chance to make a mistake
b) controled the pot alittle better ( like baudib1 suggested) , eg bet smaller pre flop, bet smaller flop , hence giving myself an easier fold if things turned ugly on the flop .