J
JerAer
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hi all,
It's my first post, so forgive me if I'm not using the correct terminology.
A friend and I often discuss poker hands and usually we have very similar thoughts on the way hands 'should be' played, but for this one we have very different opinions. So I proposed to ask the question on a poker hand analysis forum to sort it out so that I can show him who's wrong
We play together quite often, so we both have a reasonable good insight on how the other guy plays..
It was a hand we played at the middle stages of a MTT (36players), with 5000 starting chips. At the moment of the hand the blinds were 300/600, no antes.
He's in the BB with 4400 chips (and dealt Q7 off-suit), I'm SB with 11500 (and dealt JT of diamonds).
Everyone at the table is folding, so I'm to speak. I peeked into his stack and then raised to 1800 (3xBB), knowing he would think I'm stealing. Instead of releasing his hand, he claims he had foreseen my raise and raises all in.
For me (and due to the preliminary knowledge of playing often against him), it was an insta-call: at that point the pot is 6200, so I add another 2600 and consider myself priced-in. At that point I believed he was trying to bluff me out of the pot, which was confirmed (I guess) when he showed his cards, and he confirmed afterwards that that was the purpose of the raise.
So now there are three interesting discussion points for us:
1. Did I do wrong raising my JT pre-flop heads-up to 1800, willing to pick up the BB, but knowing I'm probably challenged to put it in 1/3rd of my stack with JT at 49%?
2. I think he should have folded right away, even though there's a big chance I'm stealing.
3. He claims I have no right of calling the all-in after his shove.
I guess neither of us played it great, but I do think he took way too much risk (tournament life with Q7) against me, while I risked only 1/3rd of my stack (with JT-suited)...
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
J
PS: in case you wonder what happened the hand turned out to be:
Flop: K Q 4 rainbow
Turn: 9 --> completing my straight
River: 2
He was out and steaming, I went on to become third
It's my first post, so forgive me if I'm not using the correct terminology.
A friend and I often discuss poker hands and usually we have very similar thoughts on the way hands 'should be' played, but for this one we have very different opinions. So I proposed to ask the question on a poker hand analysis forum to sort it out so that I can show him who's wrong
We play together quite often, so we both have a reasonable good insight on how the other guy plays..
It was a hand we played at the middle stages of a MTT (36players), with 5000 starting chips. At the moment of the hand the blinds were 300/600, no antes.
He's in the BB with 4400 chips (and dealt Q7 off-suit), I'm SB with 11500 (and dealt JT of diamonds).
Everyone at the table is folding, so I'm to speak. I peeked into his stack and then raised to 1800 (3xBB), knowing he would think I'm stealing. Instead of releasing his hand, he claims he had foreseen my raise and raises all in.
For me (and due to the preliminary knowledge of playing often against him), it was an insta-call: at that point the pot is 6200, so I add another 2600 and consider myself priced-in. At that point I believed he was trying to bluff me out of the pot, which was confirmed (I guess) when he showed his cards, and he confirmed afterwards that that was the purpose of the raise.
So now there are three interesting discussion points for us:
1. Did I do wrong raising my JT pre-flop heads-up to 1800, willing to pick up the BB, but knowing I'm probably challenged to put it in 1/3rd of my stack with JT at 49%?
2. I think he should have folded right away, even though there's a big chance I'm stealing.
3. He claims I have no right of calling the all-in after his shove.
I guess neither of us played it great, but I do think he took way too much risk (tournament life with Q7) against me, while I risked only 1/3rd of my stack (with JT-suited)...
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
J
PS: in case you wonder what happened the hand turned out to be:
Flop: K Q 4 rainbow
Turn: 9 --> completing my straight
River: 2
He was out and steaming, I went on to become third