Was I wrong to shove here with J9s in this spot?

1 + .20 UB SnG Blinds 150/75 - 1400 left

Villian is 52/23 (3290 in chips) on the button he had raised my BB just about every time. folded the junk on all previous hands and this time I decided it was time to take a stand and re raise all in. Still had one player (50/2 that had limped)

Wrong move?

I think I was a little tilted by the fact that he had been raising my BB the whole game. He had also gone to showdown with K8 ofsuit and 49 offsuit in previous hands.

M was 6.2 at the time of the shove and I am in last place out of 6. If I flat called and missed it would leave my M at 3.8 and the SB to come.

Its hard without stack sizes.. im guessing its on the bubble? if so wtih a limp and a raise.. its an easy fold but i dont know what the situation is or waht the chip stacks are..

1400 me vs 3200 villian. More detail on this info is in the OP

ok so what position are you in.. and whos done what.. and whos left to act behind.. this is all super important.. otherwise im not help... without this.. its a fold...

and generally in sng im not concerned with "M" too much.. just the # of BB and what stack "group" we fall into..

Sounds like a perfectly good play to me - you are down to under 10 BB and will have to make a stand at some point and a resteal to someone you have been folding too is a risky but powerful play. Your own cards don't matter too much (though I'd hesitate to do it with 72o) as you are gambling that the villain is putting you on a premium hand and can't call with their Q5, J9, K2, and so on.

again without stack sizes this question is impossible to answer... so ill leave it at that.. but shoving J9s into a raiser on the bubble of a Sng is a bad $EV play...

How many players? Which position on the tournament you were?

BTW, it's a hard decision but fairly honest.

The answer was yes before I even opened the thread. Now to read that you shoved because you were partly on tilt? Shame on you for even thinking he was raising with anything worse than your J9 and you could at least get a lucky flop. Always tighten up when its bubble time. If you don't have the A, then said villain prob does.

We weren't on the bubble. I was in 6th place out of 6 left. This is a 9 man SnG. The reason I could assume he was raising with worse than J9s ius because he is 52/23 and I had seen him raise with worse.

So, in this situation I don't use to do this kind of shove. I wait for a better spot to shove, but as I said before, I consider this a fair move.

Yeah after I did it i wondered if I should have waited but like said this was at least the 7th or 8th BB he was "stealing" just happens that with this one he actually had a hand.

For me this question hits at the heart of what poker is about, and that makes it interesting. A pattern has been established where the villain habitually raises from the button. Do they a) have good hands each time or b) do they see you as a soft touch or c) are they an idiot? We need to have a plan against the villain and the plan will depend on which of these we think the villain is up to. With luck we have seen enough of the player to have a stab at what the villain is up to.

a) If we give them credit for a hand then we either fold and wait for a corking hand or persuade them that we have one and outplay them post flop.
b) If we reckon they have been raising light then a reraise will make a call from them unlikely as we are saying we are prepared to put our tourney on this hand - ie 'I have been waiting for a great hand to catch your steals, and here it is!'
c) If they are an idiot, don't get involved.

By way of comparison, I had a similar situation in a $10 three table tourney last night. From the first hand a villain raised 6 or 7 hands to 300 chips whatever had happened in front of them. They won each pot there and then. I got ATs in MP and limped my 20 chips, as expected the villain raised to 300 everyone folded and I called. The flop was A83 rainbow and as first to act I put in 700 (half my stack), villain raised all in and I called. Villain shows AJo and took the pot.

There are two ways of looking at this situation: either we can stay clear of the villain and let someone else take the risk or see it as an opportunity to get hold of some chips. On this occasion I chose the latter - whether this is a good or bad idea is a question for another day.

Also if hes raising to 600 her and we have 1400 behind.. we obviously dont want to shove as he is priced in to call... which is pretty much what i think happened here anyways in the OP>..... but i still dont know as he hasnt given all the info

Seems to me like there is plenty enough info there to know what Kmixer is asking.

I guess this one could go either way, but I do have a question. What was going on with the people to your left? Any chance you could start shoving to steal from them, ie they had big stacks and were folding everything except premium hands to make the money? If so, let him take the blinds, then you take them from someone else and wait for a better hand to come over the top. An M of 6 really isn't that bad, and you know that the villain went to showdown with K8o and 49o, so he's going to call your re-raise with pretty much anything. J9 isn't a bad hand to gamble with, but if it was me I woulda folded

Very good point. We can get a bit hung up on people stealing 'our' blinds. Either take the gamble to make chips from the villain or get the chips from elsewhere.

you basically don't have any FE shoving a bigstack 53/25's 450 bet for 1400, assuming he's raising 3x preflop. if he's raising any more than 3x then the shove just becomes more awful.

Yes, poor play. Already explained by WIZZIM and DORKUS and the fact that tilt was a part of your decision.

I couldn't even understand the action of the hand because your description of it is so poor.

I don't make it a point to shove with jack nine because the guy is raising often - when someone does that to me, I wait for a good hand.

When discussing SNG (STT) poker it's always discussed in #of bb's (& not in 'M' value).
If the guy is calling wide, I would never shove back on them with J9s especially seeing as they'll be priced in to call you. (I'm assuming but it's difficult to pic. the situation).

It depends on whether villain was capable of folding. Nothing wrong with shoving J9s into a raiser that has been getting out of line but you need fold equity to make it a profitable play. If villain wont fold then better to wait for an ace and get all in as the probable favourite. If villain can fold then you'd expect him to fold here a huge % of the time and you'd still have decent equity if he called so it would be good play even with weaker hand than J9s. It can be really tilting to play against someone that doesn't fold pf once they raise regardless of what hand they have especially if they raise a lot of hands. Just wait for a pair or an ace and hopefully stack them.

I thought I expained it pretty good. I gave stack sizes and positions plus the villians range and what he had been doing to me all game. What other info wold make it easier to understand?

I agree that J9 was not my best pushing hand but again I was doing this based on seeing him Pre Flop raise with K8o

So M is only good for MTT then?

I guess I should have been more aware of the fact that he most likely was not going to fold. I guess that is where looking at a better set of HUD studs would come in handy.