Can I play this hand Any differently?

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Well this is my first post on cards chat. Going to play in a bunch of the Carnival tournaments. I got bust out of my first on this hand here. Just wondering if I should have played it differently. I was pretty sure I was leading on the flop. My guess is to fold on the 4 bet?

pokerstars Hand #105771848927: Tournament #800659264, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2013/10/20 9:27:06 ET
Table '800659264 661' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Sailor1962 (2254 in chips)
Seat 2: lrurom (2490 in chips)
Seat 3: Play4funAA (5925 in chips)
Seat 4: Weisnet (3643 in chips)
Seat 5: fleabaggs (3690 in chips)
Seat 6: werner175 (6638 in chips)
Seat 7: MixxxON979 (3870 in chips)
Seat 8: buldakov8 (1840 in chips)
Seat 9: cosmic82 (2470 in chips)
MixxxON979: posts small blind 20
buldakov8: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fleabaggs [Jc Ad]
cosmic82: folds
Sailor1962: calls 40
lrurom: folds
Play4funAA: calls 40
Weisnet: raises 140 to 180
fleabaggs: calls 180
werner175: folds
MixxxON979: calls 160
buldakov8: folds
Sailor1962: calls 140
Play4funAA: calls 140
*** FLOP *** [5s Js 8d]
MixxxON979: checks
Sailor1962: checks
Play4funAA: checks
Weisnet: checks
fleabaggs: bets 1000
MixxxON979: folds
Sailor1962: raises 1074 to 2074 and is all-in
Play4funAA: raises 3671 to 5745 and is all-in
Weisnet: folds
fleabaggs: calls 2510 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2235) returned to Play4funAA
*** TURN *** [5s Js 8d] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [5s Js 8d Qs] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Play4funAA: shows [6s 7s] (a flush, Queen high)
fleabaggs: shows [Jc Ad] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Play4funAA collected 2872 from side pot
Sailor1962: shows [Kc 8c] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Play4funAA collected 7162 from main pot
fleabaggs finished the tournament in 8522nd place
Sailor1962 finished the tournament in 8523rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10034 Main pot 7162. Side pot 2872. | Rake 0
Board [5s Js 8d Qs Qc]
Seat 1: Sailor1962 showed [Kc 8c] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: lrurom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Play4funAA showed [6s 7s] and won (10034) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 4: Weisnet folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fleabaggs showed [Jc Ad] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 6: werner175 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MixxxON979 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: buldakov8 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: cosmic82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Well this is my first post on cards chat. Going to play in a bunch of the Carnival tournaments. I got bust out of my first on this hand here. Just wondering if I should have played it differently. I was pretty sure I was leading on the flop. My guess is to fold on the 4 bet?

PokerStars Hand #105771848927: Tournament #800659264, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2013/10/20 9:27:06 ET
Table '800659264 661' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Sailor1962 (2254 in chips)
Seat 2: lrurom (2490 in chips)
Seat 3: Play4funAA (5925 in chips)
Seat 4: Weisnet (3643 in chips)
Seat 5: fleabaggs (3690 in chips)
Seat 6: werner175 (6638 in chips)
Seat 7: MixxxON979 (3870 in chips)
Seat 8: buldakov8 (1840 in chips)
Seat 9: cosmic82 (2470 in chips)
MixxxON979: posts small blind 20
buldakov8: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fleabaggs [Jc Ad]
cosmic82: folds
Sailor1962: calls 40
lrurom: folds
Play4funAA: calls 40
Weisnet: raises 140 to 180
fleabaggs: calls 180
werner175: folds
MixxxON979: calls 160
buldakov8: folds
Sailor1962: calls 140
Play4funAA: calls 140
*** FLOP *** [5s Js 8d]
MixxxON979: checks
Sailor1962: checks
Play4funAA: checks
Weisnet: checks
fleabaggs: bets 1000
MixxxON979: folds
Sailor1962: raises 1074 to 2074 and is all-in
Play4funAA: raises 3671 to 5745 and is all-in
Weisnet: folds
fleabaggs: calls 2510 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2235) returned to Play4funAA
*** TURN *** [5s Js 8d] Q♠
*** RIVER *** [5s Js 8d Qs] <font color='black'>Q♣</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Play4funAA: shows [6s 7s] (a flush, Queen high)
fleabaggs: shows [Jc Ad] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Play4funAA collected 2872 from side pot
Sailor1962: shows [Kc 8c] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Play4funAA collected 7162 from main pot
fleabaggs finished the tournament in 8522nd place
Sailor1962 finished the tournament in 8523rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10034 Main pot 7162. Side pot 2872. | Rake 0
Board [5s Js 8d Qs Qc]
Seat 1: Sailor1962 showed [Kc 8c] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: lrurom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Play4funAA showed [6s 7s] and won (10034) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 4: Weisnet folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fleabaggs showed [Jc Ad] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 6: werner175 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MixxxON979 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: buldakov8 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: cosmic82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Firstly sailor makes a terrible re-raise all in with a player to act 4.5x raised pot called pot with k8 suited.
the 4bet is a clear indication someone has a flush draw and we may be up against a set or an overpair, unfortunately for us sailors donk shove is usually indicating strength since he doesn't have enough fold equity with you committed to the pot,
Had play4funAA not come over the top its a snap call against sailor, I would of opted for a fold,

I definately would not be raising 1k with so many callers and no spade it's just to risky to call off with a jack, ideally you want to control this pot, and ideally get to the turn for cheap, (if their is no flush card on the turn this is where we can pile on the pressure if either the board is checked all the way around or you have been check called on the flop...
(bearing in mind some players will check call to hide strength) but at $5.50 they are most likely weak/chasing drawing...
so hench we can pile on pressure with more certainty in the hand...

if the above doesnt happen and people start going all in, you can just fold as you will get a better spot to accumalate some chips especially on such a loose table
:)
 
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Kind of an overbet and you gave Sailor no choice but to fold or go all in because he would of been pot committed. Also after play called and raised before you I probably would of folded myself. Hard to fold TPTK against a flush draw though but in a tourney sometimes you need big lay downs.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I knew I was ahead of sailor. But I guess I could save tournament life by folding to the flush draw.

I'm mostly a cash game player, so I bet the pot so I don't give odds for people to chase their flushes, but i guess in a tournament players are willing to give up their chip stack for a flush.

Thanks again for the advice guys
 
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Thanks for the advice. I knew I was ahead of sailor. But I guess I could save tournament life by folding to the flush draw.

I'm mostly a cash game player, so I bet the pot so I don't give odds for people to chase their flushes, but i guess in a tournament players are willing to give up their chip stack for a flush.

Thanks again for the advice guys


I agree with this, it really was not to bad of a raise on Play4Funs part since he had many outs with his Open ended straight draw AND a flush draw he pretty much had to fold or go all in. He had about 15 outs to make a monster with 2 cards to go. How would you know that though. The real horrible raise was Sailor, he must of put you on a bluff and tried to buy the pot.
 
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I just did the percentages and Play4funAA was favoured to win on the flop

Me: 33.33%
Sailor:8.638%
Play4funAA: 58%
 
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I just did the percentages and Play4funAA was favoured to win on the flop

Me: 33.33%
Sailor:8.638%
Play4funAA: 58%

I had the names mixed up LOL. That is what I was thinking though, an open ender and a flush draw is a pretty strong hand with massive implied odds.
 
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Kind of an overbet and you gave Play4Fun no choice but to fold or go all in because he would of been pot committed. Also after play called and raised before you I probably would of folded myself. Hard to fold TPTK against a flush draw though but in a tourney sometimes you need big lay downs.

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I don't think you should be calling preflop here with AJ. it's not that strong of a hand.

On the flop, with all that action you have to figure AJ is beat. I'd be thinking one of them has a massive draw and one of them has at least 1 pair. Top pair of jacks just isn't strong enough to fade both players...even if the other guy has 2nd pair, he's got outs plus the drawing hand has outs...you're possibly ahead on the flop but probably won't be by the river facing 2 opponents all-in
 
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People are always going to chase flushes on the flop so thats why I dont think you need to bet so big. If you bet smaller, you can get away from the hand on the turn.
 
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In my opinion, you played the hand well. After all, you didn't get yourself to anyhow terrible spot. Even thought it turns out that you wasn't favorite to win a hand, I think you have to take such a risk to be able to make a deep run in the tourney. Fold pre and fold to 4bet on the flop are both worthy of consideration, but still without specific reads, I would play the hand similarly.
 
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