BUBBLE BLIND VS BLIND

#1 28th February 2009, 4:26 PM

Hey been awhile,
Played a tourny last night and made a play on the bubble (55 left 54 paid)
Blinds are 250/500 ante 50 everyone fold to SB ( who two hands before had doubled up to 6700+) makes it 1200. I have small pair (44) with a 14,400 stack. I thought about two things
1) on the bubble
2) SB just doubled up
So I pushed allin. He calls showing AA

Did I make a correct play?

#2 28th February 2009, 4:28 PM

No, you didn't. You are nowhere near being even close to needing to shove. I mean, reraising with 44? Either you're dominated or you're 50/50 to be knocked out of the money when you were one away from the money with almost 30 BBs left.

#3 28th February 2009, 4:39 PM

My question isn't about the numbers it's about how many players make the call?

#4 28th February 2009, 4:43 PM

sorry about splitting the reply,
but silverslugger you can only say that because you know the hole cards.

#5 1st March 2009, 8:36 PM

IMO no it was a mistake.

The SB has just invested 2.5BB of his roughly 13BB stack.

You go all in.

If he has big cards.. which his raise with that sized stack indicates, then he is likely to call for another 10BB with pretty much any pair and Any broadway.

You are holding 44, and are correct that he dosent know that.. but realistically he is not in a folding situation.

If he folds then he has about 10.5BB left, if he does it again he had 8BB left.

If he tought the situation was worth a raise he probably intends to call an all in or shove any raise.

With your stack size yu do not need to be playing this way.

#6 1st March 2009, 9:52 PM

A couple other factors to think about: 1) your stack compared to the other 54. 2) was 'making the money' important? If the bubble was a few cents and you were looking to go much deeper into the tourney for some significant money, then maybe taking the chance wasn't a bad play.

#7 2nd March 2009, 1:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XXXDIRTYDOGXXX

sorry about splitting the reply,
but silverslugger you can only say that because you know the hole cards.

No, I can say this because I would insta fold regardless of my read on the opponent, because even if he's bluffing with a J5 or something like that, there's about a 50% chance you got eliminated out of the money. The SB is calling with nearly anything and he either has you dominated or in a coin flip.

#8 2nd March 2009, 2:05 AM

Wrong play, imo. You only had to face the small blind next and then you're free to pick a better spot in the next orbits. 44 is a weak hand to push with in this situation. So many things have you dominated, throw in coin flips and you're way out of a range of odds for even calling.

#9 2nd March 2009, 2:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

IMO no it was a mistake.

The SB has just invested 2.5BB of his roughly 13BB stack.

You go all in.

If he has big cards.. which his raise with that sized stack indicates, then he is likely to call for another 10BB with pretty much any pair and Any broadway.

You are holding 44, and are correct that he dosent know that.. but realistically he is not in a folding situation.

If he folds then he has about 10.5BB left, if he does it again he had 8BB left.

If he tought the situation was worth a raise he probably intends to call an all in or shove any raise.

With your stack size yu do not need to be playing this way.

^^^ I concur, Stu pretty much covered everything so not much I can add other than SB was probably praying for an all in reraise to attempt to push him off the pot....and he got it.

#10 2nd March 2009, 3:07 AM

ask yourself why is he making a raise there with his chips against your chips when he is pretty safe not raising and making it to the money rather than losing "all" his stack to yours....you will get the answer whether you should have reraised this stack at this point of the game

#11 2nd March 2009, 9:30 PM

I could suppoer a call. He may be raising with two big cards, no pair. Can't agree with the shove, not on the bubble especially.

#12 2nd March 2009, 9:31 PM

Excuse my fumble finger, that is "support" a call.

Type much, lol?

#13 2nd March 2009, 9:33 PM

Whenever I'm on the bubble I do one of three things. If I'm shortstacked I just stall and timeout a lot for obvious reasons. Middle-stack I don't really make any moves. Only when I'm completely safe with a nice deep stack do I start making moves on the bubble.

#14 3rd March 2009, 3:29 AM

I agree its a bad push if anything on the bubble you limp if you hit push if you get raised preflop you fold,your on the bubble with 44 not very strong to be trying to steal

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