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I've been playing these for awhile now and choose them mostly because the vig is low and they're pretty quick (about 40 minutes). Also, you only have to place top 3 to win. I've had success playing them over the last year but not as much improvement as i'd like to see! I can tell my play is improving and im making better reads as well but i'ts continuing to be one hell of a grind.

I've read a couple of different strategy's in the past. Some say to play extremely tight in the early stages to save chips for when the blinds are higher and money is more likely to it's way onto the table. I've also read postings from other players suggesting to play more loosely in the early stages while it's cheap to see cards. I've tried both methods and have had some success both ways.

Either way i find myself most of the time like the majority of the other players at the table with less than 12bb by the time the bb is 150. Because not a whole lot of action takes place until this point most of the players still have close to theier starting stacks of 1500. Strategically this puts you in a push/fold mode right? Well, I've learned to try and play the table more and while i will sometimes still only raise if i think i can get away with it and still be left with a respectable stack.

I've been trying to limit the number of coin tosses i find myself in but the way these tourney's play out stealing blinds is everything. So i'm forced to shove with a wider range of hands when in position. Call it variance or bad luck but i find myself getting crushed alot of the times by hands i have dominated or getting called by 10's while shoving 9's. i usually get away with stealing some blinds before this happens but it's getting to the point where i don't feel confident shoving anything but aces. I still pick my spots and get it in but once called i never feel too good about it no matter the cards.

Anyone play alot of these have any tips? should i save all of my chips for higher blinds and big cards or play wide from the beginning hoping to make a few hands? what kind of a range should i be shoving or playing in different positions when there's 8 players and 6 have less than 15bb?
 
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I don't like turbo SNGs. You should probably try the regular speed ones. Sounds like your game might be more suited to that.
 
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a beginning strategy should revolve around becoming a proficient TAG player, meaning we play nice and tight early on, to conserve those chips for the later game, which yes, involves mostly just stealing blinds.

You can't avoid flip situations in SNG as much as we would like too. YOu will be flipping a lot as a good player, thus, you will experiance variance as we are relying on luck a little more for the outcome. So with that said, you can go on breakeven or losing stretches of 1000 games or more, even though you are playing quite well.

Limiting coinflips, or limiting variance is a very advanced topic in SNG. you are far better off at this stage just trying to take shove/fold spots whenever you think they are profitable. However, as you get a decent baseline gameplan together, against certain opponants, doing things other than shoving or folding can be a great way to limit variance, however as a beginner, i'd suggest just learning some good shove/fold ranges and going from there.
 
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a beginning strategy should revolve around becoming a proficient TAG player, meaning we play nice and tight early on, to conserve those chips for the later game, which yes, involves mostly just stealing blinds.

You can't avoid flip situations in SNG as much as we would like too. YOu will be flipping a lot as a good player, thus, you will experiance variance as we are relying on luck a little more for the outcome. So with that said, you can go on breakeven or losing stretches of 1000 games or more, even though you are playing quite well.

Limiting coinflips, or limiting variance is a very advanced topic in SNG. you are far better off at this stage just trying to take shove/fold spots whenever you think they are profitable. However, as you get a decent baseline gameplan together, against certain opponants, doing things other than shoving or folding can be a great way to limit variance, however as a beginner, i'd suggest just learning some good shove/fold ranges and going from there.

yeah i've been a little putt off by the variance. every time i get it in good i prefer to win haha. which hasn't been happening as much as i'd like. My shoving range can be pretty wide depending on the stack sizes and who's to my left but it doesn't always work out.
 
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I prefer to see as much flops as possible with some hands that can flop nicely early on and try to double up. Later on, it is crucial to steal blinds and win some flips of course, you can't possibly lowball, so don't normally limp, or do it to disguise your hand's strenght.
 
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I prefer to see as much flops as possible with some hands that can flop nicely early on and try to double up. Later on, it is crucial to steal blinds and win some flips of course, you can't possibly lowball, so don't normally limp, or do it to disguise your hand's strenght.

I've been playing pretty tight early on lately.. Maybe i should loosen it up a little bit in the earlier stages with a wider range.
 
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while we always prefer to win a flip, winning or losing that flip is irrelevant. what we should focus on is our decision and if it was the correct one long term, if it was the correct one, then great, if it was a mistake, then fix it.

Oh, and just because you win a hand does not mean you made a good play, also, if you lose a hand does not mean that you made a bad play. Focus on the thought process behind what you are doing, and why you are doing it, this will help you make good decisions, which in turn will lead to strong results.
 
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Oh, and just because you win a hand does not mean you made a good play, also, if you lose a hand does not mean that you made a bad play. Focus on the thought process behind what you are doing, and why you are doing it, this will help you make good decisions, which in turn will lead to strong results.

I totally agree and when i do loose and get angry I'll ponder the hand or hands awhile and ask myself if i would do it again. Most of the time the answer is yes, even if i don't always get my money in good i know it doesn't mean i made the wrong play but maybe was just unlucky.
 
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The Bovada $3.30 Turbo SnGs have been my primary game (online at least) for about a year now.

I tend to play 2-3 at a time usually for 2 "sets" in a row. I do this about 3 or 4 times a week, and consistently net about +$150 a month. It is not a lot of cashflow, far from a professional endeavor but it is consistent. My ITM% is 47% and of my times in the money, 68% of those are 1st place.

Here is my basic strategy:

early: I play tight as hell. I'll occasionally play a cheap speculative hand in position, esp if it's a multi way pot. ex. small raise and 1 or 2 callers and I have 66 on the button, or A4s on the button I might play that if it's still in the cheap levels....but this is still pretty rare. Generally, I'm only playing strong hands for value in the early levels.

Middle: open up in late position to try and steal some blinds. Still pretty tight. I might open in the Hijack with KJo or A7o or 44 but still basically "value" hands.

Bubble: Now I make my move to go for the chip lead. I usually either bust out right here, or take over the chip lead. I rarely call an all in, but I'll shove pretty wide, especially on those player's BBs who are trying to "hang on".

3 Handed: Usually I am the chip leader by this point and usually I try to avoid calling any all-ins unless I have a pretty great hand. (I've been known to fold AJo and 88 to a shove in some of these spots). I'll jam pretty wide though. I mostly try to let one of the short stacks take out the other since my Heads up game is pretty strong.

I frequently go out on the bubble or take it down. I rarely go out before 5th place and I rarely get 2nd or 3rd place. I pretty much get 4th or 1st in the vast majority of these.

I'm sure there are some members on here who have much better advice and results than me, but this works for me and is consistent.

Also, when I apply this same strategy to the $5.50 turbo SnGs I don't have nearly as good results....I'm a little better than break-even at those but I haven't played too many of them due to my poor ROI.
 
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Thank you Missjacki, this is very helpful! I bubbled out of three sitngo's today so it's safe to say your post made my night! This is the same strategy i try to apply for the most part but lately i've found myself trying to "play the table" taking note of the loose aggressive players and opening up my calling range a bit on them later on. Is this a mistake? i know you have better odds by being the aggressor but i've been making alot of good calls (as well as a couple bad ones) i just seem to get unlucky more than i'd like. it's hard not to start calling some people when you see they're shoving every rotation and turning over ace rag hands. idk.. Also, why do you think your results in the 5.50 aren't as good? i play all different buy-ins because i like to play two or three at a time and i can't always get the one's i prefer started right away.
 
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The great power of the light shove is that it is VERY hard to defend against. I mean, yes you should naturally open up your calling range a bit vs these guys but if they get the jump on you by shoving, you simply have few good options.

Try, instead to just be that shiver. Of course, if you know this player shoves any ace or kings, then depending on blinds and stack sizes you can start to call off with like 88+, AJ possibly... But even AJ vs KQ is only about 55% and that's just not really good enough as the caller when you could just be the aggressor the very next hand with a wide range like 44+, any ace any King any 2 broadway, Q6+, J7+, T8+, 97+. To shove, I do like to have at least a pair, a paint, or 2 cards over and 8. So I tend to fold hands like 75, 86 unless I'm desperate.

Why do I get poorer results at $5.50? Well, first it might just be variance because I've only played about 30 of those compared to I don't know how many hundreds of $3.30s....but my thought is that I am applying a very basic and predictable strategy and the better players in the $5.50 have developed more sophisticated counter-strategies that I haven't learned yet.
 
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The great power of the light shove is that it is VERY hard to defend against. I mean, yes you should naturally open up your calling range a bit vs these guys but if they get the jump on you by shoving, you simply have few good options.


i somehow got it in my head that if your ahead it's a good call.. I forget that's not necessarily true in tournaments because you don't have to win to make money, just finish. i'm gonna try to keep my calling range in check and see how that affects things.
 
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I dont like Sng turbo, there is so many bingo players..u can c only all in hands, its crap!!
 
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