| This is a discussion on Blind stealing from tiny stacks within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; I stole a bunch of blinds from the micro-stacks last night. a few times, they would push allin, and i would call, getting 3-1 or ... |
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| Blind stealing from tiny stacks I stole a bunch of blinds from the micro-stacks last night. a few times, they would push allin, and i would call, getting 3-1 or better on my money. Is this a good play? are there hands that I should not call the allin with? |
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| If you have a large stack and you’re getting 3 to 1 to call, I would still only call with at least average hands. I.e. don’t call with 10 4 just cuz you’re getting good odds and your stack is big enough to take a shot. If you double him up, his next shove will be more costly to call. You know that he’s desperate and will be shoving a bunch, so why not wait until you have a decent hand? And if someone else takes him out first, so what? Just wait for the next opportunity. |
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| And here's the thing - you keep doing that too often and of course you run into blinds that will shove back at you out of desperation - BUT everyone gets to see what you were holding. For example if they see you with 36o (which I have stolen blinds with, so I'm not casting stones here), the other guys at the table will make note so you try that later on you get J7 shoving on you. Hell you may even have a pair of Tens on this one, but now this guy flops a Jack with a hand he would have folded to you if he had not noted what you were doing before. And of course it then ends up being YOU calling HIM the donkey, as you are baffled how he could have made such a stupid shove. So use some descretion and finesse that will allow you to continue to be a thief later when it is going to count for even more. |
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| thanks for all the good advice! Here is the hand in question: BetOnline Poker Game #900632423: Tournament #3428759: Hold'em $40.00/$80.00 - 2011/08/08 20:44 Central Standard Time Table '3428759-126' 10-Max, Seat #2 is the button Seat 9: Smokemup (670.00 in chips) Seat 8: Titleist28 (1910.00 in chips) Seat 7: eddie23 (1790.00 in chips) Seat 6: WASKA (5550.67 in chips) Seat 5: PapaOmaha (7188.00 in chips) - Big Blind Seat 4: kevdog1 (795.00 in chips) Seat 3: Jclamarche (425.00 in chips) - Small Blind Seat 2: spooky38 (6420.00 in chips) - The button Seat 1: Arcelas (5250.00 in chips) Seat 0: junior10k (765.00 in chips) Jclamarche: posts small blind 50.00 kevdog1: posts big blind 100.00 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Arcelas [CRAP] PapaOmaha: folds WASKA: folds eddie23: folds Titleist28: folds Smokemup: folds junior10k: folds Arcelas: raises 200.00 to 200.00 spooky38: folds Jclamarche: raises 375.00 to 425.00 and is all in kevdog1: folds At this point should I call? |
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| re: Poker & Blind stealing from tiny stacks I gotta wonder if he's on to you versus actually having a hand. Have you been doing this in front of him for a bit? Did you do it when you were SB and BTN? I assume you have 2 live cards - lol. You might as well see it through. But be prepared to knock that crap off for a while. Maybe you'll end up at a table (final?) where none of these guys are there - lol - and you can kick it back up again. |
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| Yes. But you shouldn’t be min-raising with crap with a short stacker behind you because there’s a good chance he’s gonna shove in desperation. You do have the right odds to call, but I personally don’t like throwing chips away even if I am getting the right odds. If you raise a short stacker, you should have a hand with showdown value cuz it’s likely you’ll have to call a shove. I, however, don’t mind min-raising a short stacker to entice him to shove if I have a big hand. With a shit hand, I much rather just fold. The risk and reward is just not worth it. If you raise too often, people will loosen their range and start pushing back, forcing you into unnecessary showdowns. That’s a common way I see early big stackers blow away their stacks. |
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| yeah that makes sense, and it was pretty much how i lost my big stack. I'm really more of a cash gamer, i like to pick my spots, and never feel like I have to win a particular hand. It seems like in tourneys, sometimes the +EV play can still be wrong due to bustout concerns. Like calling with a flush draw. In a cash game, I wouldn't care if the play busted me this particular hand, as long as the play was +EV. in tourneys however, I might have to fold a powerful draw, even getting the right price, because losing the hand means I'm out of the tourney. If my analysis is wrong please correct me. Peace and Aces. |
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| re: Poker & Blind stealing from tiny stacks depending on the player never going to min raise a short stack unless ive got AA KK and looking for him to put his chips in the middle even if the pot odds are right to call and im the big stack not even playing just folding trash cards let the other short stacks battle it out and if one of them doubles up so what can take the player out later with a good hand |
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| passive enough to fold don't usually try to steal blinds do they ? I always see donks with crap trying to steal blinds from very SS players and of course the SS shoves having no other choice . I just lol . but it does screw me and the other players half the time cause they just double them up . can you really get 3 to 1 stealing blinds ? just my opinion |
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