BAD PLAY? what you would do?

its a $3.50 tournament $1,500 guranteed start stack 5k each. this is fairly early on in the tournament blinds are at 100, 200... im in a small blind position holding 3c,7c. and seat under the gun raises to 400 and theres 3 other callers before it gets to me, the pots 1,900 so far. this is my thought process, big blind will most likey call i'm risking 300 for a 2,400 pot and IF( i want you guys to undrstand that) i thought to myself if i absolutly smash this flop with a flush, 2 pair or even trips this will pay off big time. oh by the way at this point i've got around 7.5k in chips. so i make the call and big blind calls... the flop comes. Jc 5h 5c...im pretty happy with this flop and i think its gonna pay of with my flush draw. so big blind bets 1,200. seat 5 calls, seat 7 raises to 4,300 and im thinking people have hit a J, and possible Q,Q,...K,K or A,A. i dont think your reraising on a flush draw that wld be dumb, you see 2 clubs and you dont want to see another card, your either protecting your over pair, or dont want to see an over card to your J im ruleing out that people are holding a 5. so i re raise all in they all call. long story short i hit my flush and won around 25 k for a nice chip lead early on in the tourney. What do you guys think of this play? honesty is the best policy thanks alot.

I was fairly well priced in as well, just thought ill mention that.

Maybe it is because of my PLO background but let's say you flop a flush. Are you feeling good that the 7c is gonna get you to the river? Also what do you do if the BB raises it up? Maybe I am too timid but I don;t like calling with suited garbage since it is still just suited garbage.

It's good that you're putting thought into your process, but it doesn't change the fact that you're playing here with garbage. Like km said, are you really going to be happy with your hand when you flop the flush? If so then you are overvaluing crap hands more often that you should. Fold preflop as you will not be profitable in the long run enough here. Even against Jxo you're only ~35% to win

This is a pretty easy fold preflop.

Even on an unpaired board, when you do hit your flush or your trips, you will never be able to get away from your hand if they hit a higher flush or they hit the same trips and their kicker will win them the pot.

Add the paired board and your hand may already be dead. With action and reaction in front of you this is very easy fold.

Play poker long enough and you get sick of getting out kicked and out flushed and learn to fold these hands.

No excuse for calling pre. Why not call pre with ATC just in case you flop a monster?

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foGlad you got lucky. Hope you ended up doing something with the stack afterwards but I have to think you toss this preflop. It even seems as if you knew should have folded but tried to come up with excuses to play it. "I was priced in" "He's not raising with flush draw (so I will)" The whole post was putting the hand up and saying "I know I know but..." Especially with all the callers preflop, why would you play 7high?

glad you hit but you knew you should have folded but made stretch rationalizations to keep playing.

it's a decent price, but it is very dangerous to play rags like that ... if you are very confident in your poker ability and you know you can get away from "big" hands like a baby flush or 2 pair ... then it is not a horrendous play ... but the flip side to that is that if you are a good player then you don't have to pull the handle on the slot machine ... i've played that same scenario both ways

You do realize that he said he's hoping to hit those. And also, that makes up a huge percentage of possible "decent" hands he could make(which many crappy 2 pairs will likely be beat by villains possibly PP's)

Aside from hitting Quads(flop 777 or 333), a boat(flop 337 or 773) or the straight flush(flop 4c5c6c) you are more that likely going to be behind. So you have a whopping 5 precise flops that put you in great shape.

Easy fold, dont get in the habit of playing rubbish in the hope of hitting, you might win once in a while but you are bound to get yourself in a lot of trouble

My motto is - don't use being priced in to do something stupid.
Would you have felt priced in if their cards were face up and you were staring at KK - AJ - KJ - 78?

Glad you won and that the odds through each street seemed to favor you but there's something about the whole scenario that just doesn't feel... ... ...right... Maybe it has something to do with what everyone above has mentioned... idk... (scratches head...)

haha very risky, 35% chance or so that you hit your flush, you will lose money in the long run with that strategy.
i actually do agree with the call preflop. EV was very good for a call. I definitely wouldn't have called post flop though, congrats for catching a break

Yep, I think this thought here is exactly what I was looking for...

I'm going to deviate slightly from the advice above in one small way: in the SB with 4 limpers in front and a 37BB stack and a suited connector (albeit a 3-gapper where your equity really doesn't come from its connectedness) I don't hate completing to see a flop and praying for bingo. And if the BB decides to punish the limpers, then I take my punishment and fold but it only cost me half a blind.

HOWEVER when the flop misses you as it usually will -- and by miss I'm basically saying anything but the nuts and certainly the flop you got -- you have to be able to get away when you have that kind of action in front of you. No way are you "priced in" enough to be calling/shoving with that hand on that flop. The only excuse for considering a shove here is maybe for metagame reasons where you're turning your hand into a bluff and you can trust your reads, but certainly not for equity reasons.

Oh, and your comment about it being dumb to reraise with a flush draw... umm, isn't that what you just did? Which by the way is not at all dumb under the right circumstances, especially if you have the nut draw and good implied odds that you'll get paid off by like, oh I don't know, someone like you?

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While I prefer the KISS play, which is to fold pre-, you do have both decent pot odds and implied odds to call and see the flop on the small chance you'll flop a big hand, plus if you do, it's not easy for the opponents to put you on it. However, a baby flush draw is a long way from a big hand. It's not even a big draw.

Plus when seat 7 pops it, there's 9100 in the pot and it costs you 4800 to call. How are you priced in? You have nine flush outs twice, but since they aren't clean to begin with, and even less so on a paired board, they have to be discounted from full outs.

Also how much fold equity do you have? Basically none. Seat 7 is priced in to call your shove, so you have to hit your flush, and it has to be good.

And who says no one has a 5? You called with 7c 3c, but there's no chance anyone else has A5, 45, 65, even 75, etc. Or 55?

LOL i love how everybody is all on top of me right now. in my opinion i did a good pre call flop for only 300 more and on the flop it was a risky shove i agree but i dont think i played this badley at all. on the brighter side of poker, i certianly do not play like this all the time or even at all! i simply chose to take a risk as it was only a 3 dollar tournament and it was early on in the tournament so again i decided to take a risk. playing a higher tournament of couse i would chuck this away no hesitation. and for all the guys who say i play badley well this is only 1 hand out of infinte hands played that day so dont pretend like you know me. if you look at my history on cards chat i dont talk alot abt cards it was just one of those rare hands that i decides to play a little diferntly, and it was hilarious that i actualy hit and it paied off so thats why i decided to write abt it. But i agree with what everybody has said. 99% of the time i chuck this away thanks for all your comments. i thought there would be at least somebody who wld be on my side though :s lol

This is the reasons I'd mention but not so eloquently put. I just have a question for OP, would you not think with all the action you just witnessed a boat would be possible?

OP is obviously a 'thinking player' who crushes (when he wants to).

I feel bad for anyone who posted on this thread with actual decent content (although I'm sure it'll help out some (many?) who are reading but obviously not the OP (guess he just wanted to give us an inside look at how the good guys are thinkin' on the tables.... should charge for it imo)

Note to self - never respond to another post by this clown - his mind is already made up and isn't asking honest questions about his play. He's just a troll.

3bet shove with baby flush draw and the board paired is def a bad play

fold pre,

3.5$... move on and play some more

fyp

It just keeps getting worse....

haha thank you sir

Wouldn't have done it myself, I do love playing suited 1 and 2 gappers however. Odds have to be there, and all-in generally is not good odds.

Wow... you are right. Stellar baller move. Please teach us more.

I personally only like to make calls like that if I have 100 bbs or so. you only had about 37 BBs and you could've gotten out. But, if you had a larger stack size I like to take a few more risks like protecting with 57s or a rag suited

[quote=David_Lill;. so big blind bets 1,200. seat 5 calls, seat 7 raises to 4,300 and im thinking people have hit a J, and possible Q,Q,...K,K or A,A. i dont think your reraising on a flush draw that wld be dumb.[/QUOTE]
so you say reraising flush draw is dumb so why did you do it? Don't chase a 7 high flush, especially on a paired board. If you are looking to get it in on draw make sure your drawing to nuts or your short stack. Other wise you can probably find a way better spot to chip up other than multi way suck out shove.

WE ALL HAVE STORIES LIKE THIS, OF BAD PLAYS AND LUCKY PAY DAYS. EVERY SINGLE POKER PLAYER IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE A STORY. IM NOT A PRO, NEVER SAID I WAS. FFS.

On CC "sometimes to earn ya bones ya gotta get kicked in tha stones". lol... You asked for honest input and people are giving it. Would you rather pick up on some of these good suggestions that players are giving you, here? ....or at the tables in the form of bad experiences? This is the same advice I was given by a forum veteran a little while ago. You can either suck it up (accept positive critique although scathing sometimes... being flat-out trolled is different tho' and should be appropriately responded to harshly...) or alienate more advanced members(& i'm NOT even hinting me, cause i'm NOT... yet anyway...) into no longer wanting to give you advice or even respond to you. "Don't be tha person that noone responds to..." lol... jk... That's just my humble and respectfully stated suggestion Dave'... I think you'll get there eventually...

I find it interesting how OP eliminated any Xx5x from everyones range, especially BBs.

If anyone had implied / pot odds for calling with any 5 it would have been the BB...and he donks the flop... go figure.

I feel ya... completely valid point...

Unfortunately I still get hung up here, even with the odds... Just the thinking of hitting these particular hands pre-flop or even in general.

LOL too funny, I think you got exactly the response you were looking for. Seriously? Were you looking for a pat on the back. The play for you wasn't a risk. You were gambling.