Any other heads up fanatics out there?

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achrefchat

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I'll play anywhere from 5-10 heads up matches per week... low limits. My win rate is around 65% (give or take 5% when I'm running good or bad). Always looking at ways to improve though. I love the confidence boost this gives me when it gets to heads up play in a tournament.

Anyone else play often?
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5-10 hu matches a week isn't very much volume wise, but it's good for a non hu grinder. Personally I think developing your HU game is always +ev it develops your post flop game which is useful for short handed poker and hu in a tournament is when the most significant amount of money is made.
 
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I am not big on HU games, but do find them useful to play now and again to help me stay in practice for if and when I get HU in a tourney.
 
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i try to start each session with some hu, think it gets you in the right mindset and it feels like you are always learning playing hu
 
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+1, and great poll.

Heads up in tourney is not same like normal heads up. The blinds can get so high so it just becomes a shoving game. Unless both have equal chips but thats rare. Yes, great poll indeed.
 
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Heads up in tourney is not same like normal heads up. The blinds can get so high so it just becomes a shoving game. Unless both have equal chips but thats rare. Yes, great poll indeed.

I disagree.

Hyper turbo HUSNGs start at 25bb on most sites, and there is plenty of edge to do things other than "shove or fold" all the way down to about 7bbs.

Most of the time at the end of a tourney, heads up, the smallest stack is above 7bbs.

And when it's not, that means you were playing 3 or 4 handed with stacks greater than 7bbs, where your postflop skills developed in heads up play absolutely come into play. Your short stack skills in general developed in hyper turbos would come into play.

Shove or fold also has some skill. Many people just hit nash or sage type advice. That's not going to result in maximizing your profit. Many players will call too tight in shove or fold (which means a shoving range wider than nash is best to maximize your profit). Many will open shove tighter than nash, which means a range somewhat tighter than nash recommends can be correct.

And the biggest mistakes, many think that 10-15bb deep you should just shove or fold. That couldn't be further from the truth, and results in a lot of missed profit potential.

End game is serious business, you can make a lot of money just improving your edge a little bit, whether at the end of a tournament when you're heads up (difference between 1st and 2nd means so much money is on the line, even small edge differences leads to a much different profit rate), or in a HUSNG (if you play those, and improve your game a little bit, that little edge per short game adds up very fast and makes you a lot more money per hour/week/month).
 
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I disagree.

Hyper turbo HUSNGs start at 25bb on most sites, and there is plenty of edge to do things other than "shove or fold" all the way down to about 7bbs.

Most of the time at the end of a tourney, heads up, the smallest stack is above 7bbs.

And when it's not, that means you were playing 3 or 4 handed with stacks greater than 7bbs, where your postflop skills developed in heads up play absolutely come into play. Your short stack skills in general developed in hyper turbos would come into play.

Shove or fold also has some skill. Many people just hit nash or sage type advice. That's not going to result in maximizing your profit. Many players will call too tight in shove or fold (which means a shoving range wider than nash is best to maximize your profit). Many will open shove tighter than nash, which means a range somewhat tighter than nash recommends can be correct.

And the biggest mistakes, many think that 10-15bb deep you should just shove or fold. That couldn't be further from the truth, and results in a lot of missed profit potential.

End game is serious business, you can make a lot of money just improving your edge a little bit, whether at the end of a tournament when you're heads up (difference between 1st and 2nd means so much money is on the line, even small edge differences leads to a much different profit rate), or in a HUSNG (if you play those, and improve your game a little bit, that little edge per short game adds up very fast and makes you a lot more money per hour/week/month).

this x by a thousand million :)

and yes, love HU poker.. such a diverse game, forces you out of your comfort zone, highly reccomend it to anyone looking to improve their game..
 
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HU poker starts getting important when you start making final tables and fighting to the last two players. I did not really spend a lot of time on HU theory initially .... :rolleyes:

In the past few years I have been getting HU much more often :goodnight , and getting royally schooled ... even when I have a serious chip lead ... by (let's face it) better poker players that have worked on their HU game. :hmpf:

Last month I was lucky enough to bag a WPT 500 in Las Vegas package on partypoker for $1700 :D and normally this would just be a gross brag post (that I hate doing ...) but there is a dark side to this win ... I got bubbled off 1 other $1700 package and 4 other $565 'Day 1 buy-ins' HU with various guys :mad:

So HU is important and you have to spend some serious time learning about the basic mechanics of HU play.

Later, yes, start reading the ideas behind Nash Equilibrium push charts as a function of the blinds and your stack. This is what the best players are thinking about when facing a raise heads up and the blinds are getting high.

If you are deep HU the first rule is: "Be patient ... or become a patient" :rolleyes:

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I love heads up play. Let's face it, heads up play is what tournament poker always comes down to so one would be at a disadvantage if he or she did not develop mano a mano skills
 
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