WV. TB. Belgo. Notes suggestions?

Generalized question here and appreciate your thoughts. Iam not big on tagging players with notes like I should be. I know you folks are primarily cash players but I think what Iam asking can be answered by you guys and it will help a tourney player. Obviously as of late Ive stepped up my volume. Iam coming across a ton of players repeatedly. Its getting to the point now though where Iam coming across so many familiar names that I know that Iam gonna have to start putting notes on them. Can you help me with suggestions. For example a color of there playing style and such. I know this is a pretty general question but any help any of you can give me would be really helpful and appreciated.

Normand

Do you use a HUD?

If you do use a HUD, especially if it autorates players like HEM does, the main point of taking notes is to remember when people take lines or show up with hands that are not normal for the standard behavior you would expect from someone with similar stats.

I am not one of those named, but maybe you won`t mind if I post ?

For a tournament player, I`d suggest that the area where it is critical to know something about the opponent`s behaviour is in the mid/late stages, where stack size is low relative to the blinds. This is a different game entirely from the early levels.

Therefore, when I make a note about the opponent`s deepstack play, I always differentiate it by marking it (d). A sound tournament player will change gears markedly as the tournament progresses. Don`t try to read his late game tendencies based on an early game read.

Most of my MTT notes are made in late game. Almost any hand that goes to showdown will provide information. Look especially at what range an opponent will shove from early/mid/late position when effective stack size is 15x BB or less.

Also, the range with which he will call such a shove.

Also, his stealing and restealing range (HEM or PT will provide a number for this, but beware if it is skewed by too many hands from early in the game, if the opponent has been at your table some time).

Finally, I always note if I have been at the final table with a player. If I meet him again in the late stages, I will then know that he is likely to be a solid regular. Additionally, I should probably assume that he is observant and will also recognise me.

This may be a problem sir. I do not use a HUD. I know that I should. Is there any simpler suggestions as to how to put notes on someone. On full tilt they have a color coded system. I seem to do very well without a HUD although with that said I know that in time it could help me with my game. At this point in time though Iam not ready to make that step. Any simpler suggestions or at this point if Iam not using a HUD, would notes not really make much of a difference?

Good stuff bud and you know for sure I 100% would value your input. The title was generally designed to draw certain type of players in here to give me there insight and input. Very good stuff and I will use it. Thanks for taking the time to write it. It does not fall on deaf ears. Iam here to learn

A HUD is a lot less necessary for an MTT player than it is if you play cash. For a long while, I only switched my HUD on for cash and did not use it for MTTs. It was Irexes who convinced me that it had value for MTTs also.

Basically, you are probably giving up a little EV if you don`t use one, but its value to the MTT player is more in post-game analysis.

I'd go with Egon's suggestions about making a notes based on shoving ranges in late stages of tourneys.

Personally I use 2 colors, one for regs and the other for known fish (used to have a ss one but then ftp killed them ), and use the colors to make table selection easier. I'll take notes for both colors based on weird lines and spewy plays.

Really really appreciate the time fellas. Iam going to make a effort today to start implementing these suggestions as I move forward. I know people for sure are noticing me lately because of there comments in the chat. I feel that if there noticing me, I sure as hell better start to notice them and quickly. This simple little thread has helped immensely. Appreciate it

Generally I'll only note someone that takes a strange line in a hand, or someone that bluff's rivers with missed draws, I'll usually trust my HUD for shoving ranges.

A note I have looks like this.

FC sb w/A5s, CC f/t w/FD, bb r w/missed draw.

(Flat Called from the small blind with Ace 5 suited, check-call flop and turn with flush draw, bluff bet river with the missed draw)

You don't have to be over complex with notes either, and youll get used to it as your going along. I will also note OPR stats towards later stages, just to spot who the players are that have never been deep before, vs tourney reg's.

I have so many different types of notes I will put on players that it'd probably fill a couple of pages here. This is just stuff I've developed over time (& is not confusing to me... instead quite the contrary).

Little things.... player's tendancies that you can exploit... ie. typical one.. player defends w marg. hands & tends to donklead out on most flops (along with this one... rarely double barrels if his donkbet is called... or always folds to raise.. is never donkleading strong hands, etc. etc. etc.).

Just part of one scenario, & some stuff I look for & take note of.

Some other things to get you going might be.... how do they play their draws (ie. strong draws... are they more apt. to check/call out of position, or do they lead out 'semi-bluff' with draws,... do they double barrel unimproved.... is villain capable of 3-barrel bluffing, etc. etc..).

What types of hands are they flatting with pre in early levels (I look for weaker players... ie. 'Flushmasters' who are calling (out of pos. in pos... to them it doesn't seem to matter), with any suited broadway.. ie. they're calling off with J6s to an EP raise from a tight player. {you'll see some players who never seem to be able to fold J5s preflop}

Other things... stack size play. ie., does villain raise/fold pre w <20bb's Any abnormal bet-sizing that would indicate that villain is a weak player... and what those bets may mean.

The list goes on & on.... & on. I guess I could sift thru some of the ones I've actually put on a list & try to post a few of them (a few besides the few above)