what stakes does poker software become neccesary

#1 11th July 2009, 11:51 AM

i play mainly omaha these days and i dont multitable ,i play anywhere from 5 buck games to 25 buck games ,i havent been using software as i am not playing thousands of hands a week and really dont take the game hugely seriously ,its more of an enjoyment thing ,

but i do play holdem as well 5 and 10 NL depending on which site im on ,i play only 2 tables 6m should i get software for either of these games ,when does if ever poker software (hem pt3 etc )become vital ,does it become vital?
i played with pt3 trial and i suppose it helped ,but after the trial ended i played without it and have not missed it , could anyone give me advice on this subject please ???

#2 15th July 2009, 11:13 AM

If you want to improve, it is necessary at any stakes for the hand analysis component.

In regards to a HUD, it will help tremendously at any stakes in which you run into the same people over and over. This is because you will gain many meaningful stats and tendencies on them that may not be apparent through a single session.

In regards to hand analysis, it allows you to review your own hands, break down your own tendencies and plug your own leaks through filtering your hands. It also helps out in trying out new strategies. This is essential for any poker player that is seeking to improve.

#3 15th July 2009, 4:50 PM

Another important benefit of a poker hand db is to see that your bad beats are not really that significant. You can verify that you're AA are winning 80% of the time and are your biggest money maker after you get busted by a one-outer.

#4 15th July 2009, 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WurlyQ

If you want to improve, it is necessary at any stakes for the hand analysis component.

In regards to a HUD, it will help tremendously at any stakes in which you run into the same people over and over. This is because you will gain many meaningful stats and tendencies on them that may not be apparent through a single session.

In regards to hand analysis, it allows you to review your own hands, break down your own tendencies and plug your own leaks through filtering your hands. It also helps out in trying out new strategies. This is essential for any poker player that is seeking to improve.

QFT

I am new to poker, but not new to technical analysis, so I can tell you that any time you are able to objectively record your activity, you can build that information into a feedback loop of continuous improvement. The more you can look into your own data, the less you rely on others to find certain things out for you (and rip you off by charging you lots of $$$). You also get more reliable information faster, and are able to adjust to changing conditions more timely.

Perhaps you would see the value in the software as you learn more about the stats ? I certainly have. These are a few links I have been looking at lately; you may find them useful :

The N00bs Guide to Using Pokerstove
2+2's Official Stats and Graph Analysis Thread
Pokey's How To Use PokerTracker Guide

These links tell you what to look for - and more importantly, why you should look for it in the first place. I have found it very helpful. It's not a magic wand, but it does tell me what I need to focus on. Now, I only have 500+ hands, so the raw numbers in and of themselves do not mean much. However, I can see cases where I lost money because I did not stick to my plan, and cases where I lost money in spite of my plan. Very important distinctions, even at $0.02/$0.04 LHE. Otherwise, all you have to go by is instinct... if you are okay with you gut feeling, then go with it. But if not...

#5 17th July 2009, 2:42 PM

thanks for the replies ,and the links ,i have read the links before actually but it was cool anyway! i have been reasonably succsessful with my instincts but i know the benefits of software , at lower limits i question
there usefulness to me, i will most likely end up getting the software but thought i,d post the question anyway

#6 17th July 2009, 2:45 PM

i dont think pokersoftware ever becomes 'necessary' but its def. better at the limits with lots of unknowns.

I think a tracker is pretty important, but you don't really need the hud imo.

edit^ i play hu so its obv way more beneficial for a 6max and FR player

#7 20th July 2009, 7:52 AM

You can get away with it up pretty high I believe. I believe one of our higher limit players didn't use one at 100nl or something

However it really matters w/ how many tables you'll be playing on. One or two and you can def get away without one for a while. Any more, you may want to consider buying one

just my 2c

#8 20th July 2009, 4:59 PM

If you are only playing 1 or 2 tables and take good notes it shouldnt really matter too much. On one hand you are probably losing out on some money at the time you are playing due to not having as much information, but on the other hand you are almost certainly getting better if you are actually thinking about all the factors when considering what to do which will help you down the line.

Also, you can still save hand histories and review them or post them here without a HUD so if you dont have one you can still review hands.

Fees(99% sure it was him) said if he had to give advice he would tell people not to play with a HUD, as they will certainly get better faster without one. Most disagree but take that for what its worth.

#9 20th July 2009, 11:42 PM

I wished i could get HUD running, but i don't think thats going to happen

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerMagpie

QFT

I am new to poker, but not new to technical analysis, so I can tell you that any time you are able to objectively record your activity, you can build that information into a feedback loop of continuous improvement. The more you can look into your own data, the less you rely on others to find certain things out for you (and rip you off by charging you lots of $$$). You also get more reliable information faster, and are able to adjust to changing conditions more timely.

Perhaps you would see the value in the software as you learn more about the stats ? I certainly have. These are a few links I have been looking at lately; you may find them useful :

The N00bs Guide to Using Pokerstove
2+2's Official Stats and Graph Analysis Thread
Pokey's How To Use PokerTracker Guide

These links tell you what to look for - and more importantly, why you should look for it in the first place. I have found it very helpful. It's not a magic wand, but it does tell me what I need to focus on. Now, I only have 500+ hands, so the raw numbers in and of themselves do not mean much. However, I can see cases where I lost money because I did not stick to my plan, and cases where I lost money in spite of my plan. Very important distinctions, even at $0.02/$0.04 LHE. Otherwise, all you have to go by is instinct... if you are okay with you gut feeling, then go with it. But if not...

^^^^ saw PokerMagpie playing, is doing good.
Thought, NL is a lot better, just play the 9full tables, you get to see more hands, before the BB, SB hit you...

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