What do they know about me?

#1 6th November 2010, 3:31 PM

I've never used HUDs or data mining software, with the exception of looking up a handful of players on sharkscope.

I'm wondering what kind of information opponents who are using extra programs would have on me. Do they have information for every tournament we've been in together, or just while we are at the same table?

I assume they can see % of hands I play, how often i open raise, maybe even cbet %? What else: raise sizes? play style by position or stack size?

I wouldn't be paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me.

#2 6th November 2010, 4:09 PM

Not sure myself how much info these guys can get on us as I like you dont use any of it myself

however as I try to improve my game I am continually changing how I play so not really sure how accurate this info would be used against me who knows it may even work in my favour

inti

#3 7th November 2010, 12:54 AM

the stats that you can have on your HUD in HEM...

#4 7th November 2010, 12:55 AM

#5 7th November 2010, 2:40 AM

Wow, they can get all that off of my game. Didn't know they had program like that. They should ban that, it's freaking cheating. How is that fair? That sort of spoil online poker for me. But that good to know. What other cheating tool is out there?

#6 7th November 2010, 2:56 AM

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about this. Tools are just that, a tool. And accurate information about you is going to be iffy unless the person using that tool tracks you for a very high number of hands.

#7 7th November 2010, 5:15 PM

That is WAY more extensive than I even imagined!

So, HUD is obviously limited by space, but someone can pull this info up at any time?

I don't consider it cheating, but it would be interesting for one of the major sites to implement "non-software" tournaments or games, for those who aren't interested in that stuff and would prefer a more equal playing experience...

#8 7th November 2010, 6:08 PM

Yeah someone can pull this info up at once, although most will stick to just reading the handful of stats they have on their HUDs.

#9 7th November 2010, 9:44 PM

Thanks for the information!

To revisit another part of my question, are my stats being logged during the whole of a tournament, or just while the HEM-client is at the same table as me?

#10 8th November 2010, 1:39 AM

they can only legally track your stats from hands that they've spent at the same table as you. With sites like PTR though, it's fairly easy for someone to get hands on you if they really wanted to.

To be honest though, I wouldn't really worry about it too much, as most randoms aren't going to datamine you, especially if you're playing micro/low stakes tournaments. If you're playing mid/high stakes cash, I'd expect more regs to be datamining, so then I'd be more concerned.

btw I'm not actually speaking from experience, just sort of speculating. I would imagine most micro donkament players probably won't know what datamining is, or even know how to interpret/exploit any stats that are available to them, which is why I'm saying depending on what type of game you play I really wouldn't worry about it too much.

#11 8th November 2010, 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ckickenking

Wow, they can get all that off of my game. Didn't know they had program like that. They should ban that, it's freaking cheating. How is that fair? That sort of spoil online poker for me. But that good to know. What other cheating tool is out there?

Sites like PTR are banned on pretty much all sites (although it's kinda hard to monitor its use tbh), however I don't see anything unreasonable about collecting stats through hands you've played with a villain. In a live game you can takes notes about your opponents, no? At the least you can make some observations about their style of play, how loose they are, if they like to bluff their draws, etc. Using a HUD is much the same thing.

So yes, parts of it are cheating, but not all of it is, and imo anyone who refuses to believe otherwise are costing themselves money.

#12 8th November 2010, 2:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cjatud2012

Sites like PTR are banned on pretty much all sites (although it's kinda hard to monitor its use tbh), however I don't see anything unreasonable about collecting stats through hands you've played with a villain. In a live game you can takes notes about your opponents, no? At the least you can make some observations about their style of play, how loose they are, if they like to bluff their draws, etc. Using a HUD is much the same thing.

So yes, parts of it are cheating, but not all of it is, and imo anyone who refuses to believe otherwise are costing themselves money.

Cj was your PTR reference to Poker Tracker??

It's confusing me

here a link to allowable poker software programs allowed at Stars

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#13 8th November 2010, 3:11 AM

lab_man, PTR = Poker Table Ratings.

#14 8th November 2010, 3:15 AM

information superhighway

#15 8th November 2010, 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cjatud2012

lab_man, PTR = Poker Table Ratings.

Thank you
and damn your quick

#16 8th November 2010, 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the lab man

Thank you
and damn your quick

I'm sure his wife told you that in confidence, fives.

#17 8th November 2010, 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenzie 96

I'm sure his wife told you that in confidence, fives.

lololol wowww, gonna need this to put out that burn:

#18 8th November 2010, 9:49 PM

I am too new to even cope with all that, but it would seem to me you could exploit the data pretty well if you knew someone was trying to use it against you. Think of it as having a tell that you learn about after everyone else knows. False tells can make you very rich for a while. And isn't most of that data "just interesting" unless you know the averages of the rest of the table that they were generated against? I play loose at some tables, tight at others, raise on the button more (or less) often against chronic limpers, etc... So looking at any average stats across my whole range of play would be pretty deceptive (wrong).

#19 8th November 2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by galt

I am too new to even cope with all that, but it would seem to me you could exploit the data pretty well if you knew someone was trying to use it against you. Think of it as having a tell that you learn about after everyone else knows. False tells can make you very rich for a while. And isn't most of that data "just interesting" unless you know the averages of the rest of the table that they were generated against? I play loose at some tables, tight at others, raise on the button more (or less) often against chronic limpers, etc... So looking at any average stats across my whole range of play would be pretty deceptive (wrong).

I agree. The one caveat to that would be that you would also need to have access to the data on yourself so that you could know what they are expecting.

This doesn't mean that you necessarily have to play the exact opposite as usual, but switching it up every now and then when your opponents are expecting something different could make you a good bit of money...

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