from tourneys to cash

This is a discussion on from tourneys to cash within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; ive played 100$ tournaments for the past 2 years, and am contemplating delving into the murky world of cash games you all seem a knowledgable ...
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  #1
16th November 2009, 3:14 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
from tourneys to cash

ive played 100$ tournaments for the past 2 years, and am contemplating delving into the murky world of cash games

you all seem a knowledgable bunch and im looking for tips, advice ,anything at all to make my time as profitable as possible.

whats the main difference ?
should i be widening my opening range ?





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  #2
16th November 2009, 3:38 PM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
omg my typings terrible

its supposed to be 100 per cent , not 100 dollar buy in tourneys.

i wish
  #3
16th November 2009, 4:03 PM
WiZZiM
 
Online Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
Its about getting max value...

obv you wouldnt be widening your range, there are no blind increases so your not under any pressure to make plays..

in tourneys its about accumulation and survival, in cash, you cant get knocked out, so get maximum value out of everything..
  #4
16th November 2009, 5:16 PM
Kasanova King
 
Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE,Omaha
I agree with the previous poster - it is about getting max. value out of everything you do, including bluffing. A continuation bet and semi-bluffing is almost standard at cash games. You also should be a little more cautious about the all-in move in cash games. Typically, you will only go all in in cash games after a 3 bet, etc. (And of course, only if you have the nuts) All in bluffs can be very expensive at cash games.
  #5
16th November 2009, 5:38 PM
c9h13no3
 
Online Poker at: Most of them
Stacks get deeper, hand reading gets more important, you actually have implied odds.
  #6
16th November 2009, 5:39 PM
canucks921
 
Poker at: Bodog.com
Game: holdem
Just watch Phil Helmuth videos from when he plays in cash games. ie High stakes poker, just don't do that and you will be fine.
  #7
16th November 2009, 7:27 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
re: from tourneys to cash poker

nice one guys

im taking it onboarb

i ll be paying .10 .25 NL to start
  #8
16th November 2009, 7:32 PM
nightmoves44
 
Game: nl holdem
cash?

Ring games are an entire different animal.I would read up on ring strategies before I delve deep into it.Theres different strategy for 6man 9man games at different levels.Do your homework.!
  #9
16th November 2009, 7:41 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmoves44
Ring games are an entire different animal.I would read up on ring strategies before I delve deep into it.Theres different strategy for 6man 9man games at different levels.Do your homework.!

i am doing my homework, this is part of it,

im not going to go in without taking the best strategy and advice i can find
  #10
16th November 2009, 7:44 PM
peach68
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem nl
If you've been playing tourney-style poker, there's some adjustments you'll need to be making for sure.

ie. Bet-sizing for one,... when you're betting out on the flop with say TPTK, or TPGK, you'll want to size your bets bigger than you would in a tournament setting, especially if there are potential draws on the board as your opponents will often be getting good implied odds.

I too would suggest reading up on it a bunch. I personally watch a bunch of strategy videos on cash game play and it's always enlightening.... ie. I was watching one this weekend about 'check-raising',.. but it went into far greater detail with many different scenarios than I would typically consider.

GL on the tables!
  #11
16th November 2009, 9:15 PM
c9h13no3
 
Online Poker at: Most of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
i ll be paying .10 .25 NL to start
You have a $750 bankroll?
  #12
17th November 2009, 12:53 AM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by c9h13no3
You have a $750 bankroll?

nope i have 150 dollar bankroll
  #13
17th November 2009, 1:05 AM
c9h13no3
 
Online Poker at: Most of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
nope i have 150 dollar bankroll
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
i ll be paying .10 .25 NL, and I'll be broke in 2 weeks
Fixed, for accuracy.
  #14
17th November 2009, 2:45 AM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
re: from tourneys to cash poker

whats up with the attitude ?
  #15
17th November 2009, 3:48 AM
c9h13no3
 
Online Poker at: Most of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
whats up with the attitude ?
I feel like I tell people about bankroll management daily. It makes you grumpy. Sue me.
  #16
17th November 2009, 3:56 AM
jordanbillie
 
Poker at: Cake
Game: PLO/O8
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
whats up with the attitude ?
You just have to get used to c9 being the most bitter person on here. Then you will understand.
  #17
17th November 2009, 4:19 AM
IrishQueeen
 
Online Poker at: Poker Stars
Game: holdem
I was surprised at the stakes you were going to start playing at. You need a minimum of $600.00 to outlast the down curves, even when you're experienced.
Start at the .01/.02 and if you are successful there, then got to .02/.04. etc.
Full Tilt has an academy that is free. Chris Ferguson has a segment on bankroll management. It's very good. Start there

I agree with the reading and video watching. There's no such thing as instant painless success in poker or any other trade. It always takes bookwork and experience. No silver bullet..
  #18
17th November 2009, 5:40 AM
KerouacsDog
 
Poker at: PS/Ultimatebet/FT
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
nice one guys

im taking it onboarb

i ll be paying .10 .25 NL to start
Quote:
Originally Posted by c9h13no3
You have a $750 bankroll?
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
nope i have 150 dollar bankroll
Quote:
Originally Posted by c9h13no3
Fixed, for accuracy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
whats up with the attitude ?
it's not attitude, it's just that every day people ask about this, and there is so much advice on BRM if you look for it.

Personally, I want at least 20 buy-ins for each level before taking shots at the next level.
But saying that, Im rolled for 50NL, but as Im learning ring/cash, Im still playing at 2nl/5nl with shots at 10nl just to get some practice in. I suggest you do the same.gl
  #19
17th November 2009, 12:52 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
some good advice coming through here.

sounds like i ll need to compromise, i ll take a shot at a 2 hour session at the .
2nl/5nl.

i ll let you know how i get on.
  #20
17th November 2009, 4:31 PM
Effexor
 
Poker at: FTP. Stars
Game: Ice Cream
Quote:
Originally Posted by c9h13no3
Stacks get deeper, hand reading gets more important, you actually have implied odds.
This sums it up really. There is more postflop play too because the stacks are deeper which ties in with the hand reading.

Things like pot size manipulation also become more important.

With $150, if you are just starting out, you shouldn't be playing 25nl. You could very easily go broke in 1 day.
  #21
17th November 2009, 4:54 PM
kadafi
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
re: from tourneys to cash poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
nope i have 150 dollar bankroll
Your even slightly short for 10nl but I would start there as a compromise if I were you.

Or if 10nl and below is too tedious for you then just play SNG's untill your BR is large enough to play 25nl.
  #22
17th November 2009, 5:51 PM
Gamble1996
 
Poker at: Full tilt
Game: Holdem
Pardon my ignorance , but 5nl,10nl is that cent or dollar
  #23
17th November 2009, 6:00 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
0.05 and 0.10 cents

currently 1 hour into a 2 hr session showing a 3.50 dollar profit
  #24
17th November 2009, 6:07 PM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
ppl are buying in for 2 bucks, losing, reloading for 2 bucks, overbetting their hands when they have something,

no hands of note, just using position to my advantage.

pretty boring
  #25
17th November 2009, 6:45 PM
LuckyChippy
 
Online Poker at: FT
Game: NLHE
I suppose it can be boring. The thrill of making big moves late in a tourney is what some people love about poker. I personally hate as I can't get a person back if they donk me. You have to go home.

This is the world of cash poker and you will get used to it. You play and play and play, not for a big score but for this little pot and occasionaly that big pot. It does add up though.

keep playing position and good hands at that level and you should be fine.

The biggest cash game lessons I can give you is TPTK is dangerous and control the pot. Big hand big pot-small hand small pot.
  #26
17th November 2009, 6:45 PM
Roger1960
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem,omaha
The huge difference in cash games is you can win fast. Get cocky and lose faster. I know from experience, lol, not trying to be a jerk.
I hadn't played cash games in quite some time. I have been going up and down, I thought let me try to make some money.
I was up over 300.00, so I thought, I am pretty good. lol I was playing limit and pot limit Omaha. I was trying to get some fpp's to rank up on Poker Stars. I ranked up and got some money.
Just like I said though what goes up easy can come down just as fast, if not faster.
Even playing pot limit, the max can be reached easily. Players do get very lucky and can't wait to hit their 6% on the river.
Good luck, I had some good luck for some time. Right up until I didn't and lost it all.
  #27
17th November 2009, 6:52 PM
Roger1960
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem,omaha
I have also noticed, the players that will lose $400.00 on a hand and automatically put $500.00 back on the table. I had no business playing against these people.
I also noticed that they play all the way down to the small buyins. With the same amount on the table.
Look around at some of the tables and try to see the ones that are on all the tables.
  #28
17th November 2009, 7:06 PM
LuckyChippy
 
Poker at: FT
Game: NLHE
re: from tourneys to cash poker

Table selection is also very important and can have a significant effect on your winnings. Something you can't do in tourneys.
  #29
17th November 2009, 7:06 PM
sheepy10
 
Online Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
could of done with that advice bout an hour earlier Roger1960;

think they caught onto me thieving pots in the second hour, yer i got a bit cocky, was up to 18 dollars at one stage, ended the 2 hour session up 49 cents,

next time ll move tables after the hour mark

strict BRM , approved
  #30
17th November 2009, 7:09 PM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyChippy
Table selection is also very important and can have a significant effect on your winnings. Something you can't do in tourneys.
no idea how to choose a table

i dont have any software or anyting

just chose a random.

first time at rings, its just a learning curve, got a long way to go
  #31
17th November 2009, 8:02 PM
c9h13no3
 
Online Poker at: Most of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepy10
no idea how to choose a table
High players per flop & big pots are a good thing. Full stacked fish on your right, short stacked nits on your left.
  #32
26th November 2009, 4:33 PM
sheepy10
 
Poker at: Titan
Game: holdem
been playing a few hours per day, in profit.

i have concluded that rings are a grind,good for clearing bonuses and earning a coupla bucks per hour if you have the time.

you aint gonna get rich quick
 

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