tilt issues

how do i deal with these tilt issues that i have

Well, how about you start by saying what tilts you? If i had to guess its the "suckouts"?

yup suck outs is the main 1 i think
starting with my aces getting cracked by the crown kks n qqs
that puts me on tilt i think because rite after that i go on a lil losing strike
losing a $1 or more n thats at the 2 n 4 cent fixed table now no limit i could lose it all
but ive been trying to 2 learn 2 shake that off n i haven't got my aces cracked for a a min.
another thing mite be when people do dumb things like min. raise with 75d i reraise all in with my ak and they call and make a str8 at the end now 75d isnt worth allin rite fold that
im trying 2 learn shake that off as well
1 more hand that may put me on tilt
ok say i got poket 7s and its 1 on 1
flop comes 1053r im thinking that floped missed him r her
they c-bet r i do
if they do i raise knowing that my 7s r still good then they shove with kq kj qj aj aq r ak and i call knowing im good and they hit a runner
it tilts me that when i make good reads n calls it seems 2 haunt me
but that mite be due to playing low stakes i dont know

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Combating 'tilt'

I'd post the link but somehow it doesn't work atm

It sounds like you are playing cash games, there is nothing you can do when you get it in good but know that in the long run you do make money with your AA KK etc.
In one of your examples you mention shoving all in with AK, some will probably disagree with me but in a cash game I don't think that is a good move, tournaments it seems to be normal, but i don't play alot of them so not sure
I think raise it pf and if you miss the flop, be prepared to let it go if your c bet gets called or re-raised.
As far as the dumb suckouts go like your KK getting sucked out on with really garbage hands, be glad for those in a cash game, that person will usually pay you back with interest.

If I read this wrong and you are talking about tournaments I have no advice except to switch to cash, tournaments tilt the Hell out of me, lol

that ak vs 75d was a sng thats y i did shove if it was a cash game i would maybe at least 3bet not shove if i miss the flop i fold no doubt about unlike the other example i gave which took place in a cash game i knew i had the best when i reraised on the flop only to get shoved on now should i fold the best hand here n live 2 fight another day r call with the best hand
i made the call he turns over kq n i got poket 7s and hits on the turn i think that was a 6-10 dollar pot does this happen at the higher stake tables

i did just that and found a nice post about tilt liked reading
Tips For Dealing With Tilt!

Without more info on that particular hand it's hard to say whether you played it well.

Reads/stats on villain, position / preflop action ... all missing.

A few things:

How do you really know that your 77 is still good on a 1053r(ainbow ?) flop ?

Let's assume villain isn't a maniac/ total crazy you can't just put him on all the stuff that missed the flop but given you were in position, raised preflop and he just called oop his range of hands that "might" continue with a donk bet/RR- shove will be more like this (ok this is a wild guess because we have no reads on villain):

33,55,1010,JJ,QQ (let's rule out KK, AA),J10+, Q10+,K10+,A10+

Now against that range you're 46:54 % and I don't really get why it tilts you when the bottom part of his range hits.

Board: Tc 5d 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.966% 45.97% 00.00% 75085 0.00 { 7c7d }
Hand 1: 54.034% 54.03% 00.00% 88265 0.00 { QQ-TT, 55, 33, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

ya i know that really does suck,
a few weeks ago at my B&M p-room; [NLHE $1-2] I was in cut-off w/ AsJs I raised to $10 which made 3 limpers fold; except for the SB who had. . . .u guessed it 7-5off , flop came AJ5r. . . so i raise 2/3rds pot; he calls and turn is a 3, i push allin (like $50 i think), he calls, river is another 5! dude i got up said good game and found my way to the car and then the bar. . .lol. . . my rep is a tight-agg; live player, i had never seen this guy here before, but lol, 2 days later i got it all back plus some. . .but dang that tilted me, i couldn't even think for a sec. o ya i also said to maintain some decorum; "well i know that i would never play with that" the other 6 at the table including one other regular, turns and asks me if he can buy me a drink. . .lol. . .just gotta let it go,

yea that sucks bottom pair calling a all in with it with ur preflop raise and bets hes def. a donk lol thats sick n my point of view its retarded of him 2 do so but letting it go is a good thing shake it off and move on

You are tilting because you are results oriented. Find a way to celebrate your good reads and decisions - eventually that's what makes for winning poker.
So incredibly easy to say!

ya just gotta let it go; i think thats why specific goals are so important. sometimes it can seem like a personal confrontation or like there was someway we could have read it better, but reality is bad players win from time to time, but long term results is a solid players treasure, a battle vs. an outcome of a war. macaroni vs. mac w/ cheese. .lol

I love the way you put them on a range where there isnt a single hand ahead of second pair. Perhaps if you started including some hands that beat you you might be able to fold.

He opened (as he is cbetting), so his range contains AA, KK, JJ, QQ, JJ, TT 99, 88 AT KT QT JT. prob 55 and 33

So how exactly do you remove every one of these hands from villians range?

Its kind of a fishy thing to do.. put them on a range you beat and call. Its very rare that you can call a shove with second pair and not expect to see a single hand that beats you in their range.

I agree with PFoofy on the cash game line. AK for me stands for Anna Kournikova, good looking but never wins. AK wins small pots and loses big ones. You can feast on high cards that hit pairs or top two pairs with setmining and (proper) draws to A high flushes.

We've talked b4 about books. Two that helped me on tilting were the Poker Mindset and Your Worse Poker Enemy. Neither are your typical how do I play JJ from the cutoff type books. Both are primarily psychology books ... good reads but kinda dry stuff.

my biggest tilt is when someone calls my all-in or any big bet , beats me and then says sorry didnt realize you were so strong.... i find the sorry after a suckout and insult... is this a wrong feeling,, because it really puts me on tilt, and usally say no your not you put your chips in to win and won your not sorry, just a bad, lucky player and end up in an argument... i know i should just keep my mouth shut but damn dont say sorry just stack your chips.

I'm with you on the post-win apology. absolute foolishness. I know when I suckout, or even when my hand just holds up and I stack chips from my opponent, I am never sorry. If it was a horrible beat that I put on someone, I file it away in my brain for the next time I get rivered, but sorry? Never!

definitely agreed! no need to offer fake apologies; plus its weak. its just the way it is ty come aghain

Stu_Ungar and grafkarow
my 7s was good as i thought
u never can read when some1s flush drawing or str8 drawing
or c-bets after missing the flop but acts as if he r she did or lets say raises pre flop with poket js and the flop comes k27r and the guy with the poket js doesnt like the k and bets weaker then normal like he didnt have the k r didnt like seeing the k so u can tell he dosnt have the k
no went on the feeling he missed the flop when i had 77s and i was rite
about 40%-60% of the time im rite yesterday i was dealt aj in late position and some1 limped in with ak so i didnt raise with my aj and how about that i was rite at the the end of the hand he turned over ak im pretty good on reading hole cards of other players heres another hand that i played and was rite on his hole cards
so it was an unbluffable pot so i folded

When someone overbet shoves you need to be right about 75%+ otherwise you wont show a long run profit.

At best, when we include some hands that beat you and a ton of hands you are ahead of you have about 50% equity. The overcards, although you are ahead still have 25% equity. The hands that beat you now, and there are a lot, crush you 90% equity. So in the long run you will loose by doing this as when you call you arent ahead over 75% of the time to begin with and even when you are ahead you still loose 25% of the time.

The key to beating these stakes isnt big calls with second pair. TBH the notion of reads at the lowest stakes are absurd as people dont play with any kind of consistency. The key is playing somewhat tight and value betting not bluffing and not calling down in really marginal spots. No matter what you think people at these levels are not very aggressive in general. They do bluff too much but they also overvalue weird hands.


Start posting hands in the Hand Analysis section and people will help you to understand how to play them properly.

so u think i should have folded my 77s knowing that he r she didnt have nothing but k high

ok Im trying to read your posts, can you please pot the longer comments in some sort of paragraph form?

Also, how do you know that she has nothing but K high? Why cant she have top pair or an overpair?

The points are that you ought to stop putting oppenents on a particular hand and stop being results oriented when thinking about your decisions.

As Stu said you need much more equity than about 50% when facing large overbets.

Even if we give you credit of being more than 50% accurate with your read, otherwise you could completely let go of the thinking and just flip a coin.

Good opponents will play their value bets very very similar to their semibluffs - it won't be good enough just to guess then - you need to put them on a range.

That opponent showed KQ in that particular hand doesn't prove anything exept that if he had shown 1010 or 55 or any other hand that would have had you crushed you wouldn't have posted that hand

You didnt know, even you estimate your accuracy to be between 40-60%

Know = 100%

There is absolutely no way you can narrow someones range to exactly overcards just because they shove over your flop bet.

BTW If I saw you call more than once with second pair to a shove, Im shoving TPGK+ for value and folding everything else. Why do I need to bother value betting against a guy who assumes second pair is good against a shove?

Like I said earlier, basically what OP has done is to create a range which dosent contain a single hand that beats him - not very realistic at all.

This range is incorrect as it doses not contain a single hand that beats you

The fact that the range is incorrect is reflected in this statement. If the range were correct then you would be correct 100% of the time as the range you give does not contain a single hand that you were behind.

As the range you give is incorrect and this is backed up by your own estimate of how often you are ahead its fair to say you didnt know your 77 was the best hand.


Until you can get to grips with whats being said in this post you wont be able to progress as a poker player.

Drink heavily and swear at the dealer..........

Remember it IS a game, and shit happens, then go for the hard stuff, and swear at the dealer...........

If you are pretty sure you are doing your part right, then you have to understand that sometimes the poker gods don't like the color of your undies and will punish you for your audacity. And trust me, they can see thru whatever you use to hide the color of your undies.

The only sure way is to stop and take a break until you calm down.

For me at least, the suckouts happen in bunches. I went one month without winning one all in where the chips went in on the flop. I don't play that many hands per day but that's still some stretch.

Try to start each session with a calm head and hopefully lady luck has had her fun.

lol
well i was rite that hand and i took a big beat on the turn
heres a hand that i was wroung and only reason i put him all in is because i had him well covered in a sng i was dealt 97o on the button he was in hi jack raised it up and i called every1 alse folded flop comes k9k 2 hearts he bet pot i raised him all in after a lil. thought he called after and turned over aces so i was beat badly no 7 could help only 2 outs maybe 1

Oh well I give up until you realize that having 97o on a KxKh9h flop which was raised pre is useless.

How many combos that you beat will be there taking opponents line ?

OP is an idiot and has a lot to learn about playing poker.

whos OP

you.
OP stands for Original Poster. the person who started the thread.

Best comment i have read in this post.