serious question for ring(cash) players

Ok, Ive just started learning ring play, 9 seater, after playing mtts/sngs with a roi of over 100% in them.
Im bankrolled for 25nl, with shots at 50nl, but Im just practising at 10nl, with shots at 25nl.
Now the play at this level is horrendous, there are some sharks, but still a lot of fish, for instance, today at 10nl, I 4-bet a guy, I had kings, and he pushed all-in for $10 with A8!!!!!!!!! Horrible play, and he hit his straight on the river.
My question is, at what level do the fish start getting outnumbered by the sharks, as there are just too many donk-plays at 10nl, I wanna jump in to a level where my plays are respected, as I consider myself a decent mtt player, and at the moment a good ring player, 5.5BB/100 at 10nl(5000 hands).
Should I jump into 25nl, or take shots at 50nl?
Thanks, in advance.......................
KD

25nl seems to be a transitional level. At 50NL there's some decent play, still beatable, some people don't like it because they call it a nitfest and many of the 50nl tables will be tighter tables. Stealing blinds at them are still pretty easy though - you get a lot of these multitablers - some of who are good and some who are just bad and have never been profitable. These people are not looking for a fighter OOP, but I really start to look at table selection at 50NL.

Some people hate 50NL but its been my most profitable game. I think you have to care about the stakes you play in. I haven't played much in 10nl, but definitely try 25nl and maybe even 50nl since the styles of play do vary.

excellent reply bud, thanks. This is the kind of info I need.
Currently as Im learning, I play 4 tables of 5nl, or 2 of 10nl, or one at 25nl, and block out any distractions, my button play is good, I think, and I can bluff wel on scary boards, and get away with it.
Thing is, Ive built my br up over a year or so, playing micro sngs/mtts, so to put $25 on a table at a time is still scaring me, particularly against a shove when I have TPTK, I still doubt my hand. I know it's scared play, thats why Im practising at 5nl/10nl till I get used to it, as at mtts/sngs I have no problems calling an all-in shove with TPTK......
thanks for advice sir.

Move up to whatever stakes I am playing, they will respect your raises there.

The size of your bankroll isn't the only consideration in choosing what level(s) to play ring at. If it makes you hesitate to put more than $X in the middle when you think you're just slightly ahead, you should consider playing at whatever level it is where you face such situations often enough to get used to it - kind of like desensitizing yourself - but where you won't face decisions very often for much more than $X.

For instance, if $X is currently $10, then playing NL25 may be too high relative to your current comfort level unless you decide to short-stack.

if you take a shot at the 50k it's going to be a different types of players there....they are going to be more tighter then normal due to the high stakes. most of the fish will not get to that level of play...but remember those who are playing at that level are really good they make there living on poker and will do anything to break you.

lol, way out of my league bud, but maybe one day.

yeah, I built my br from mainly $1-3 mtts, and $1-$2 sngs in the early days. So at the moment, $25 is a lot to take to the table for me, even $10 is feeling dodgy in a race........maybe I'll wait till Im ready.

50nl sounds good if I can find the odd fish here and there, if I can't, then I guess they see me as the aqautic character. It's still nice to take the occaisional shot at 50nl, just to say Ive done it......

25nl is definitely where you start encountering some people who are playing poker. 5nl is just a joke, and I mostly skipped 10, playing 5 deep instead to let weaker clowns make bigger mistakes. Definitely need to be comfortable with your play, and remember as you move up top top is not often so hot at a cash table, no blind pressure means people can wait for better hands. I'm a propoenent of cash, but if you're murdering the tourneys so hard, why not just move up there?

thanks for the quality advice bud. really.
as for the mtts, I only get the odd hour spare here and there every day, so cant play mtts in the week.

Try this KD, should help with moving up, its also a good read
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...-limit-496983/

i think it just all boils down to the if you cant beat the guys giving away there money, how are you going to beat the beat the nitty good regs at higher stakes imo.....

well i can beat the guys at 5nl/10nl mate, so your replky is pretty redunfdant, imo

I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. If your learning ring play then why try to run to a level where your play is respected? If you are truly trying to learn then wouldn't you try to figure out how to run over the players at your stakes rather then try to run fancy plays by them? Stop worrying about making fancy bluffs and just value town the players giving you their money

Don't at 25NL if you feel like that. I've had first hand experience with that, and at these limits TPTK is going to be the best hand on a shove most of the time imo. I've been screwed over and played too conservatively when I was playing underrolled and it was not a fun experience. When I first started online poker I played well above my bankroll, but as my bankroll built up I realized the importance of BRM. You can make all the right plays and lose, that's just how poker is.