| Page 6 - This is a discussion on ***September Micro Thread*** within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; 4 times tonight this happened. Twice to straights and twice to flushes. This was the smallest of the 4, I am tired of running so ... |
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| 4 times tonight this happened. Twice to straights and twice to flushes. This was the smallest of the 4, I am tired of running so bad. Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker BTN: $34.37 (137.5 bb) SB: $5.25 (21 bb) BB: $25 (100 bb) UTG+2: $10.79 (43.2 bb) MP1: $15.62 (62.5 bb) MP2: $21.58 (86.3 bb) Hero (MP3): $25 (100 bb) CO: $31.82 (127.3 bb) Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with A UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.25, MP1 calls $1.25 Flop: ($4.85) 8 UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.25, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $3.25 Turn: ($11.35) 7 MP1 checks, Hero bets $20.25 and is all-in, MP1 calls $10.87 and is all-in River: ($33.09) 6 $33.09 pot ($1.65 rake) Hero showed A MP1 showed 8 |
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| It continues, here are a couple from tonight: Stacks: BB with $21.08 UTG with $27.99 UTG+1 with $19.25 MP1 with $28.85 MP2 with $9.50 CO with $45.54 BTN with $8.41 SB with $28.77 Blinds: $0.00/$0.00 Site: Full Tilt Poker Dealt to SB:A♥ Q♣ Sklansky group 3 Preflop: 5 players fold. BTN raises to $0.85 Hero raises to $3.25 1 players fold. BTN calls [$2.40] Total folds this street: 6 Potsize: $6.75 Flop: 10♦ A♣ 4♣ Hero checks BTN bets [$5.16, and is all in] Hero calls [$5.16] BTN shows : K♥ 4♥ Hero shows : A♥ Q♣ Potsize: $17.07 Turn: 9♣ Potsize: $17.07 River: K♠ BTN shows two pair, Kings and Fours Hero shows a pair of Aces BTN wins the pot ($16.22) with two pair, Kings and Fours Tilt shove FTW ! Stacks: BTN with $34.46 SB with $19.51 BB with $51.00 UTG with $15.95 UTG+1 with $25.00 MP1 with $25.41 MP2 with $16.81 MP3 with $5.00 CO with $26.59 Blinds: $0.00/$0.00 Site: Full Tilt Poker Dealt to BTN:K♥ A♣ Sklansky group 2 Preflop: UTG+1 checks 2 players fold. MP2 calls [$0.25] 2 players fold. Hero raises to $1.50 2 players fold. UTG+1 calls [$1.25] 1 players folded. Total folds this street: 7 Potsize: $3.35 Flop: A♠ 2♣ 9♥ UTG+1 bets [$3.60] 1 players fold. Hero raises to $32.96, and is all in UTG+1 calls [$19.90] [ all-in ] Hero shows : K♥ A♣ UTG+1 shows : A♦ 10♣ Uncalled bet of $9.46 returned to Hero Potsize: $59.81 Turn: A♥ Potsize: $59.81 River: 10♥ Hero shows three of a kind, Aces UTG+1 shows a full house, Aces full of Tens UTG+1 wins the pot ($48.07) with a full house, Aces full of Tens |
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Take the money out of the equation so you can still play correctly without worrying about the extra money involved when moving up. Obv play with solid BR rules, but then again, the $$ aspect is taken out by seeing how many BI's your BR is. Think of your withdrawals in $$ amounts only, until then your BR is BI's, BB's, and a weapon to use to gain more BI's/BB's. |
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I can only comment on 6-max but its really not that much different. Less spastic fish, but still plenty of them. The "regs" if you can call it that, are for the most part average. You will get played back with 3bets more but that is the main difference |
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| Soooo, who wants to talk about donk betting? It's profitable when I do it with some sort of hand, but should I try check/raising instead? Which is more profitable with what sort of hands? I also don't find calling donk bets, unless they are the min-bet type, profitable. You can try raising the min bets to see if you're busted. I haven't run into much reading material regarding the whole donk bet issue. Other opinions? |
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| As long as you have a strategy around donk betting, it's prob a profitable opportunity. What are we trying to accomplish w a donk bet, under what circumstances? If you donk into pfr and he folds, you've lost his cbet assuming he cbets frequently. Like Jurn said, if you flop a monster and villain frequently raises donk bets, halleleujah. What hands/flops are we donking w, and what villain types? To me, ch/r looks stronger than a donk, so you get the cbet but you are going to shut pfr out a lot of the time. Mixing donk bets and ch/r is a good idea. When we're defending against a donk bet, do we have notes indicating what he'll donk? Does villain donk draws as well as sets? Does villain donk to see if he can take the pot down w middle pair/air (I see deepstack villains donk minbetting this alot at 50nl 6max, but I don't see many 100nl players donk minbetting)? How drawy is the board and how well did the flop hit us if at all? |
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| Frankly, I don't think my strategy for donk betting is very good. And the times that I've actually c/r'd the pre-flop aggressor are very few. Basically, I think my usual goal is to end the hand, which may not be best, missing out on the c-bet. I suppose we need to look at 3-bet pot donk bets and regular donk bets and then the bet sizing of each. Just getting HEM to spit out donk bet numbers is a bit of a challenge, unless I'm missing something obvious. I had to Filter for Did Cold Call = True, Flop Unopened = True, Last to Act on Flop = False, Flop Bet = True for the regular pots, and then modify that a bit for 3-bet pots. Does that seem right to you guys, or is there a better way? I haven't looked into defense yet, but I see a lot of min-betting at my low stakes, which makes me want to raise in position. |
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| Basically from the way I've had it explained is in a multi way pot if you flop say a set, or some sort of monster it is much more profitable to donk bet then ch/raise. In a heads up pot, I tend to donk bet a larger percent of the time then ch/r simply for the fact that we don;t want the villain to see a scare card and lose value in the hand later on. For example, if we donk bet 5 times, lose the c-bet we would of got 4 of them but stacked them the 5th by overcommiting them with tptk or something of the sort its much more profitable then ch/r 5 times and taking down 5 c-bets, especially since checking enables them to catch a card that may in fact make us lose a stack. I'm not saying im 100% right but I do remember some videos off stox that discussed this quite frequently. Tell me if I'm way off though plz bc I might need to fix my game |
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But I don't see how donk betting heads up gives us any more value. C/R gives us value from c-bets that we lose by donk betting. We also gain more information if we C/R instead of Donk Bet. Also, if your known to pretty much only C/R or C/F then your going to induce villains to check behind more often. I believe this allows us to extract more value out of marginal hands that we usually muck on the flop. |
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If we're always ch/r or ch/f, when are we ch/r? Do we ever ch/c? Under what circumstances are we ch/r a strong draw? A set? An overpair? |
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| should I have bluffed on river?, as me and him had tussled a few times prior to this, and I really didn't think Id win the showdown! -------------------- HAND #1 -------------------- Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker BB: $3.01 (60.2 bb) UTG+2: $2.99 (59.8 bb) MP1: $1.25 (25 bb) MP2: $1.07 (21.4 bb) MP3: $2.24 (44.8 bb) CO: $0.84 (16.8 bb) BTN: $5.39 (107.8 bb) Hero (SB): $6.25 (125 bb) Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 8♣ 9♣ 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10 Flop: ($0.30) 6♥ A♣ 6♣ (2 players) Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.20 Turn: ($1.10) 7♦ (2 players) Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30 River: ($1.70) 2♥ (2 players) Hero checks, BB checks Results: $1.70 pot ($0.11 rake) BB showed 4♠ 8♠ (a pair of Sixes) and lost (-$0.85 net) Hero showed 8♣ 9♣ (a pair of Sixes) and won $1.59 ($0.74 net) |
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I'm not crazy about calling his flop 3bet oop - I'd either 4bet or fold... |
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Just to nitpick, this wasn't a 3bet on you, just a raise. I don't hate the call of his min-raise, although it usually means you are behind at this point. No need to bluff rivers at 5NL. |
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