Originally Posted by cardplayer52

are we doing the master the bubble challenge?

LOL - yep. The four HU games gave it away?

Finished it for the 10th time today actually, so I'll probably have to move on to sit and go by the numbers. There don't seem to be that many other SnG-related challenges.

Won my first sit'n'go today, Yeehaa. I have played quite a few Double or nothings and find that they have been teaching me some bad habits (Playing for top 5 instead of to win) so im ending them and going to get stuck into te proper sit'n'gos. Won this on my 4th attempt...

Dear stubzy11,

You finished the tournament in 1st place. A USD 4.50 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

Originally Posted by OzExorcist

LOL - yep. The four HU games gave it away?

Finished it for the 10th time today actually, so I'll probably have to move on to sit and go by the numbers. There don't seem to be that many other SnG-related challenges.

the 4 HU's was a big tell. o got this one done 5x but think i might give it a rest. i'm not too good a HU. i dont seem to have the patience for it. i did the SNG ny the #'s already. when i first started it i played over 30 SNG and only won one. that was what inspired me to learn how to play these. it was such an obv. leak in my game. my next thing is the HU's but i'm giving it a few weeks maybe.

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Won my first sit'n'go today, Yeehaa. I have played quite a few Double or nothings and find that they have been teaching me some bad habits (Playing for top 5 instead of to win) so im ending them and going to get stuck into te proper sit'n'gos. Won this on my 4th attempt...

Dear stubzy11,

You finished the tournament in 1st place. A USD 4.50 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

Congratulations - stick at it and hopefully there's many more to come

I played a couple more $5 games and got up to $130. A quick downswing could put me under the bankroll for the $5 games and I dont want to go all the way back down to $2. I wish there was something between, like 3 or 4 dollar games. I saw there was $3's on pokerstars so I tried to deposit there but they wont not accept my mastercard nor my echecks.

Downswings in SNG can be severe. I am currently 0-15 with 10 of these being 5th & 6th place finishes due to 2,3,6 outers hitting on the turn or river. You need the bankroll to survive these swings.

I read about sweat sessions and they sounded interesting and fun. does anyone want to set up a sit n go sweat session group?

Originally Posted by Jillychemung

Downswings in SNG can be severe. I am currently 0-15 with 10 of these being 5th & 6th place finishes due to 2,3,6 outers hitting on the turn or river. You need the bankroll to survive these swings.

Ouch. All very true though. I had one of "those" days yesterday. Having KK lose to Q2 AIPF on the very first hand of the day probably should've tipped me off...

I was happy to get pocket AA, I was amazed when I flopped four of a kind, I was all to glad when he pushed his whole stack into the middle for me

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 5 players - View hand 282717

UTG: t3085 M = 20.57
CO: t2205 M = 14.70
BTN: t1675 M = 11.17
Hero (SB): t2295 M = 15.30
BB: t4240 M = 28.27

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is SB with A A
2 folds, BTN calls t100, Hero raises to t200, BB calls t100, BTN calls t100

Flop: (t600) A A 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t300, BTN raises to t1475 all in, Hero raises to t2095 all in, BB folds

Turn: (t3850) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3850) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3850
BTN shows Q J (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Hero shows A A (four of a kind, Aces)
Hero wins t3850

Originally Posted by stubzy11

I was happy to get pocket AA, I was amazed when I flopped four of a kind, I was all to glad when he pushed his whole stack into the middle for me

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 5 players - View hand 282717

UTG: t3085 M = 20.57
CO: t2205 M = 14.70
BTN: t1675 M = 11.17
Hero (SB): t2295 M = 15.30
BB: t4240 M = 28.27

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is SB with A A
2 folds, BTN calls t100, Hero raises to t200, BB calls t100, BTN calls t100

Flop: (t600) A A 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t300, BTN raises to t1475 all in, Hero raises to t2095 all in, BB folds

Turn: (t3850) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3850) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3850
BTN shows Q J (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Hero shows A A (four of a kind, Aces)
Hero wins t3850

Why raise all in? You have the absolute nuts. Why not just call an see if maybe the BB comes along also? You can't lose this hand.

yeh I realised that straight after I played it, I think I was a little too excited and just pushed all in without thinking...

$1.20 that's a 17% rake. that's crazy. i thought tilt's 11% was bad.

Originally Posted by Johnnybmoto

Why raise all in? You have the absolute nuts. Why not just call an see if maybe the BB comes along also? You can't lose this hand.

When the pot's that size and we've got so little behind I really don't think it makes a difference. If the big blind stays in when we flat call then he's calling our shove 99% of the time too.

Just wondering how you guys multitable the sitngos. I have just started playing two at once and Im fine until it gets to about 3 handed and i start to have a little trouble keeping tabs on the action at both tables.

Do you start all your tables at once or stagger them so you start one and wait 15mins until you start the next so that you are not playing 3 handed or heads up on both at the same time?

Im guessing it will get easier I just want to know whats easiest for you?

I was doing 8 tables and would start 4 then wait a while then start another 4. Lately if i play I'll only do 4 at a time. I'll start all 4 then if i get ko'ed in 2 I'll start another 2 up. then keep them staggered 2 and 2.

Originally Posted by switch0723

As sighingly sighing it is, pretty sure you have to fold to the 3bet, since i doubt villain is ever 3bet/folding here, and probably has a really nitty range, so you're looking at being 40% against qq+/ak, He really really needs aq to be in his range to stack profitably here, and i doubt he does

yeah on reflection i'm pretty sure you're right.

villain had QQ and i'm no good at flips.

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Just wondering how you guys multitable the sitngos. I have just started playing two at once and Im fine until it gets to about 3 handed and i start to have a little trouble keeping tabs on the action at both tables.

Do you start all your tables at once or stagger them so you start one and wait 15mins until you start the next so that you are not playing 3 handed or heads up on both at the same time?

Im guessing it will get easier I just want to know whats easiest for you?

i do them in sets but it really is a matter of personal preference. while all other things being equal staggering them will yield a better $/hr (simply because you can get more games in if you have x games constantly running), sets give me personally a better return because i like having similar blinds at all tables and i like that usually i'm having to focus on fewer tables at the important stages of the SNGs (because i will usually have gone busto in around half the games when it gets to fun bubble time and beyond). i can 12-table sets easily but there's no way i could 12-table with a setup like 3 tables being HU, 3 being ITM, 3 being on or around the bubble and 3 being in early stages, it would make my head explode.

I register for a $5-2table, $5-3table & $10-2table to start and then when the 2tables start I register for another 2table game, to give me 5 game set. I may mix in a tournament or a satellite also to go 6 tables. Depending on bio needs I may or may not fire up new games to replace closed ones. I would register for more 2tables but there are never more than 1 available in the PS lobby at any one time unlike the 1table SNGs.

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Just wondering how you guys multitable the sitngos. I have just started playing two at once and Im fine until it gets to about 3 handed and i start to have a little trouble keeping tabs on the action at both tables.

Do you start all your tables at once or stagger them so you start one and wait 15mins until you start the next so that you are not playing 3 handed or heads up on both at the same time?

Im guessing it will get easier I just want to know whats easiest for you?

Whatever method you choose, mostly it comes down to practice. I learned to play live, so it took me ages to get used to even one table at internet pace. I'm two tabling now though and it's starting to seem a little slow

I start two at the same time because the biggest difference on how fast they play (in turbos, anyway) is the player mix. Sometimes you're three-handed before the blinds get big and sometimes you're still six-handed at 200-400. So often the timing manages itself and you don't end up having to juggle multiple bubbles. And like DM says you'll probably be knocked early in a bunch of them anyway.

Variance sucks. -4 BI's tonight, life tilt engaged.

99 vs Q9 on 9xx flop, all in, he hits running diamonds to 4 flush me down the drain.

AK vs A4 on A5x flop, all in, he hits running cards for a straight.

AQ, raise it up J7sooooooted calls. Flop is KJT rainbow, bet pot he calls, turn is a blank (but a spade), I bet pot, he shoves and I call, he rivers the flush.

There were more but those were my favorites of the night.

Someone remind me again that I WANT these people calling when way behind..........

I watched a Matt Matros video at Stox on 45 person sng's yesterday so thought I would give it another go last night. I played a 45 person and a 27 person at the same time. I didn't make it to the money in the 45 person - but was happy with some of the new plays I tried. I finished 2nd in the 27 person.

He played a $69+6 in the video and has a very aggressive style. I only played $5+.50 ones so I adjusted slightly for that. I was really pleased with how many pots I was able to steal. In the one I placed 2nd in - I was the short stack with only about 600 chips at one point.

Colin Moshman has a 45 person sng video there as well and I am going to watch it today and see how it compares. He evidently plays a tighter game than Matt so it will be interesting.

Are these videos on stox the ones you have to pay for? I see you can join there through full tilt points but I dont play at full tilt yet.

Originally Posted by dakota-xx

I watched a Matt Matros video at Stox on 45 person sng's yesterday so thought I would give it another go last night. I played a 45 person and a 27 person at the same time. I didn't make it to the money in the 45 person - but was happy with some of the new plays I tried. I finished 2nd in the 27 person.

He played a $69+6 in the video and has a very aggressive style. I only played $5+.50 ones so I adjusted slightly for that. I was really pleased with how many pots I was able to steal. In the one I placed 2nd in - I was the short stack with only about 600 chips at one point.

Colin Moshman has a 45 person sng video there as well and I am going to watch it today and see how it compares. He evidently plays a tighter game than Matt so it will be interesting.

you got to watch owen "qtips" gaines video #1011. IDK why but I just really liked it. It helped me so much dealing with bad beats. BTW what new plays?? congrats on the cash. be sure to watch some ICM stuff too. I just switched to cardrunners as my primary. i'm going to earn a free week there and then buy a 3month booster with FTPs then switch back to stox as my primary.

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Are these videos on stox the ones you have to pay for? I see you can join there through full tilt points but I dont play at full tilt yet.

There is a good deal if you play at fulltilt. you can get it free if you earn enough FTPs. check out trulyfreetraining.com for details. There are a few free videos at stox check them out. if your thinking of paying for a site i'd check out deucescracked i hear big things about this site.

Had to drop the $10 SNG games for a bit, added $3 ones in and have worked the bankroll back up. Almost back to break even for the month. Now back to having the $10 SNG games in the mix.

have not had a chance to post lately but have been reading moshmans book and have been adapting to my sng which is 6max and have been going with "dont have to knock everyone out " as my mantra. Have increased my 1 and 2 place finishes considerebly.Getting alot of 3rds though 115 tourneys roi 12.86 itm 41.74 1st 23 2nd 25 3rd 28 net is 32,40 for month I guess im on my way

My dad says he thinks 6 handed STT are better because you only have to outlast 4 players to be ITM as opposed to 9 handed where you need to outlast 6 players. Even though that did make logical sense when he told me that, it failed in the real world (of the internet). I found the 9max game way easier to cash in, probably because the bubble starts almost from the begginning of the match on the 6max table.

Originally Posted by Show Nun Bat Toe

My dad says he thinks 6 handed STT are better because you only have to outlast 4 players to be ITM as opposed to 9 handed where you need to outlast 6 players. Even though that did make logical sense when he told me that, it failed in the real world (of the internet). I found the 9max game way easier to cash in, probably because the bubble starts almost from the begginning of the match on the 6max table.

Its the same ITM wise, 33% get paid.

Hows this hand for trying to slowplay each other heads up...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t10390)
Hero (BB) (t3110)

Hero's M: 10.37

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t400) J, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (t400) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (t400) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t600, SB raises to t1400, Hero raises to t2910 (All-In), SB calls t1510

Total pot: t6220

Results:
SB had 10, K (straight, King high).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won t6220

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Hows this hand for trying to slowplay each other heads up...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t10390)
Hero (BB) (t3110)

Hero's M: 10.37

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t400) J, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (t400) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

why would you do this

I was just hoping that he would hit something on the flop, then the turn and river. Since he only limped in I was putting him on some low cards as he had been raising almost every hand since we got heads up.

I havn't had much heads up experience at all but I am beginning to find out why slowplaying anything except the nuts is generally a bad idea...

Any advice on playing heads up other than whats covered in here? http://www.cardschat.com/heads-up-strategy.php

what do you think he is raising on the river after you overbet?

Originally Posted by switch0723

what do you think he is raising on the river after you overbet?

Looking back on it I think I was far too quick on my decisions. This was my first go at the $3 sitngos and to get heads up I was a little excited. Once I had pocket kings I think I got tunnel vision and wasnt looking for draws at all, I guess this is to do with my inexperience aswell. Looking at it now I dont really know what I was thinking pushing after a reraise with a board like that....

Originally Posted by stubzy11

I was just hoping that he would hit something on the flop, then the turn and river. Since he only limped in I was putting him on some low cards as he had been raising almost every hand since we got heads up.

I havn't had much heads up experience at all but I am beginning to find out why slowplaying anything except the nuts is generally a bad idea...

well on that board it's a horrible idea. any turn/river 8/T/K/A/heart either outdraws you or kills your action, and assuming villain does have nothing one of those is more likely to hit than one of the 6 cards that will improve villain's hand - so even based on your (flawed) assumptions it's a bad idea.

also yeah shoving river is really awful.

Originally Posted by Show Nun Bat Toe

My dad says he thinks 6 handed STT are better because you only have to outlast 4 players to be ITM as opposed to 9 handed where you need to outlast 6 players. Even though that did make logical sense when he told me that, it failed in the real world (of the internet). I found the 9max game way easier to cash in, probably because the bubble starts almost from the begginning of the match on the 6max table.

there are a few reasons they can be harder. the fact you have to play more hands more aggressivly makes variance a bigger factor. but also if there are a few good players in with you it makes it a lot harder to win. basically there will be more fish in a bigger tourney. and the fact you can be tighter in the nine mans will help skill over come luck so the variance is less of a factor.

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Hows this hand for trying to slowplay each other heads up...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t10390)
Hero (BB) (t3110)

Hero's M: 10.37

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t400) J, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (t400) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (t400) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t600, SB raises to t1400, Hero raises to t2910 (All-In), SB calls t1510

Total pot: t6220

Results:
SB had 10, K (straight, King high).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won t6220

i guess preflop its ok not to raise if you think the villian is likely to. but you got to bet the flop. as a matter of fact i'd likely stack off on that flop easy. you really should be looking to get it all in. the best way to do that IMO is to bet and build the pot. you really hoping to bet $3k into a $400 in the river and no be beat? another thing the fact this guys been betting and raising lots then checks down to the river should be ringing alarm bells. as played i'd just call the river bet most of the time mixed with a few folds.

these SNGs have not been very nice to me lately. i'm not sure i can keep playing this month i may need to take a little break.