Reached 10k hands... How am I doing?

Ok, so this is me after my first 10k hands at 5nl on pokerstars. I noticed that my won money with showdown is negative and my won money without showdown is positive. Is this normal?

My other stats for reference:
VPIP: 27.5 PFR: 13.9 W$WSF: 43.27 WTSD: 27.9 W$SD: 45.4 AF: 2.86 AFq: 53.7 3Bet: 5.39 Fold 3b: 50.3 Att to steal: 33.4 Fold BB to steal: 58.1 Fold SB to steal: 86.7

Can you tell anything from these stats? Anything I should work on?

Im assuming this is 6max? VP$IP seems a little high. You probably should limp less and tighten up your calling ranges. It also looks like your calling too many 3bets, which can get you into a lot of trouble. You seem to be defending your BB too much as well. I'd suggest posting your position stats as that may give a lot more information to go by.

^that and you should generally just close the gap between your vpip and your pfr.

re: the showdown vs non-showdown stats, search the subject. There's a pretty good thread going on right now about it.

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Hope that's not too small . This is 9 handed. But often people start leaving when I sit down, and I stay and play even if its 5 handed or 3 handed.

I agree, I would think the main reason for your showdown is you call to many 3 bets. Also, wait until the BB to buy in you are throwing money away posting early.

Your PRF goes up the later the position as does your win %, which is good, but it's odd that your winnings go down over the same range which seems odd. It's something that might indicate some oddity; getting too aggressive and folding out hands that you might be beating perhaps?

PFR is generally thought to need to be 2/3 of your VP$IP whether you play tight or loose preflop, but it looks like you're playing 0.02/0.05 in which case I don't have as much of a criticism of not making that ratio at that level.

The fact that you play until the table gets small throws a bit of a twist on the stats; maybe use a filter to only look at the hands with 7 or more players.

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This 7 handed and higher. Doesn't look much different does it?

That's interesting what you're saying about me scaring off people by betting with a better hand. I guess my post flop play is too simplistic? I bet when I have a hand... and sometimes when I don't.

Maybe I should check when I have a hand sometimes?

Also, what is the ideal 3bet fold stat? 80%?

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As mentioned before, these should be closer together. You need to limp a lot less. Most of the time you should be raising or folding preflop.
1. W$SD should be over 50%. You're calling down river bets too light here I think, and that could cause the problem of having horrible showdown winnings.

2. You raise preflop 14% of the time, almost 50% of the time you are 3-bet you call. This means your 3-bet call range is 7%. That's HUGE. Especially at 5nl, I doubt you are getting 3-bet light very often. You should only be calling 3-bets with premium hands (or of course 4-betting)


Att to steal could be higher, but I don't think that's absolutely terrible, especially since I'm assuming at 5nl they are calling a lot more, and your fold SB to steal is fine, but you need to fold BB to steal much more than 58.1%. You'll be playing a pot oop, and you're probably not being raised light that often. From the BB you should be folding way more than 58.1%.


In summary: Unopened, you shouldn't be calling very often, it should be most often raise or fold (exceptions are pocket pairs to set mine and suited connectors and such in late position with lots of limpers). When you do bet and get 3-bet, you need a monster hand to call it. Basically you're calling too much in general. I can't really be specific but if you have questions about hands post them in the HA section. Also don't defend your BB so lightly. If you've got trash in the BB, it doesn't matter that you've already put money in, it's not worth the call oop with a trash hand.

I would tighten up quite a bit in the blinds and in utg, utg1, and mp1. That is where your losing most of your money. In the small blind your range is huge (33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J4s+,T6s+,96s+) and your gonna be in the worst seat at the table post flop. Your Early position range is too wide as well (66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,A9o+,KTo). Your hands are only as profitable as the position you play them from. While A9 offsuit may be profitable from the hijack or better they are losers from early position.
Speculative hands like J10 suited also do much better in Late position because when you have position it is easier to manipulate the pot size to limit your losses and maximize your gains.

sorry to hijack the thread but from the stats how do you know / interperet this.

I have PT3 but am still learning how o use it.

VP$IP + PokerStove = Hand range

Obviously it's not exact, as the top X% of hands arent always the the X% of hands you're playing as some hands that have weaker raw strength, play better post flop.

For someones raising range, you'd use their PFR% instead of VP$IP.

Use Pokerstove to get the range. In this case you'd just enter a range of ~51% to see the starting hand range.

Cool, I'll work on tightening up UTG, UTG+1, MP1 and the blinds and post again at 20k hands .

Wow I admire your keeping track of stats. I don't think many players have the will/knowledge/funds to use Poker Tracker when they're at 5nl.

Isn't it like really expensive ?

Anyways my question: What does amount won without blind mean ? Is it the total amount that you won - the amount u lost posting blinds that weren't recovered or something ? I notice the blind posting is really a huge chunk isn't it ? Or is that something indicative of your stats only ?

I'm guessing it means what i would have won if I didn't have to put down a blind.

Blinds looks small, but they add up after a while!

I'm currently using the trial version of poker tracker and hopefully I'll have enough to cover it when the trial is over.

So how long is this trial for ?

i think 30 days?

60 days

In his defense, a lot of people at $5NL make min-raise 3-bets. I used to do it as well, until I learned to three-bet larger via this forum. So he could have been priced in a lot of those times.

There's a big difference between raising to $.15 and then calling another $.10, and raising to $.15 and calling another $.50.

Even at $10NL people are apt make weak tiny three-bets. Not so much at $25NL though.

I hate those guys. They screw up my Poker Tracker stats. I've been working on my turn and river aggression, but they keep making these stupid minbets into raised pots that price in every draw and overcard imaginable.

Well, in the long run I love them. But I hate them.

ah ok, in that case it's not as bad, 7% isn't actually super huge, it's just bigger than I would say a call 3-bet range should be. If you're getting minraised though, you can practically call with ATC (that you raised with) just on implied odds (because that almost always means monster), similarly I would call 56 suited and fold AT there, again all implied odds.

Maybe to early to tell, but I have to say the advice is working... my BB loss is down, my SB is positive, and my UTG and UTG+1 losses are going down.

I noticed my non-showdown profit is going down, but hopefully the showdown gains will make up for it.