ranges for PF raise

What sort of range would an opponent with a 20/5 be calling with given 20% is

66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo and pre-flop raise is

99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo, can we safely exclude the raise range and perhaps tighten o

or loosen the range according to the opponents position?

You need his 3bet % to know what range to exclude at the top - if it's 1, he's not 3betting his entire raising range.

Yes, you need to know position - some players who are not positionally aware will have little variation in their ranges by position, but many players (even the occasional 20/5) will have wider ranges in lp and looser ranges in ep.

ok same ranges, we know he will raise with top 5%,ith if they limp in front of you, what will they be holding on average EP, MP, LP.

We can start with 88 - JTo

If positionally aware, expect to see something like a 12% range in EP, 18% in MP, and 35% in LP. I'd be giving a bit more respect to EP limps, but not much, I'd still be 3betting wide against a limper from any position if I have position on the limper - then I'd be watching out for limp/call, limp/4bet, and fold to cbet stats.

If he's not positionally aware, hard to say, but yeah, assume a general 20% range minus the top 5%. Someone w those stats is going to limp pretty suited cards more than unsuited, lots of middle cards, and small and middle pp's.

Limpers are usually bad players who are playing fit or fold (cash games generalization) - as such, it's hugely profitable to 3bet them in position no matter what their ranges are. I'm more comfortable w that generalization when I know limp/fold and fold to cbet stats - but w unknowns, I assume this to be the case until they prove otherwise.

Thanks for the stats, at what level do they apply, would you see them at micro levels?

Microlevels or microstakes?
At microstakes range is from 72 to AA when a donk play and pairs, suited connectors, connectors bigger than 78, suited cards with A,K,Q,J when an average player plays.

But at microstakes i advise to reed the hands you play verry well. PLayers will call with everything if they feel lucky . A flop like 10 7 3 is a gold mine for the donk that called a big raise with 73 just cose it was 73 suited.

If u play for the long run with the same buy-in and u play by the book you should make profit. If u play right winnings will occure often than bad beats.

This isn't accurate for a 20/5, what you're describing is more like 60+ VPIP (72 to AA? That's pretty close to 100 VPIP, isn't it?).

A 20/5 player is bad no matter what the stakes are (again, I'm refering to cash games), and plays more or less the same preflop whether it's 5nl or 100nl. You don't see as many of these players at 100nl as you do at 5nl - or, more specifically, you see more players w TAG and LAG stats (like 20/17 or 30/26) at 100nl than you do at 5nl.

Yes i didn't read carrefully his post
I think pokerstove can resolve his problem.

What I,m attempting is to build up profiles of various styles 20/5 is passive...etc

The next step is to evaluate there betting patterns throughout each hand.

The 20/5 who limps pre-flop but raises the flop has hit something, the question is what.

Significant to me would be position and bet size, any other ideas?

I usually play 1/2 up to 5/10 micros but I'm thinking of moving up a level as the number of callers at these levels kill my good hands.

My bank is $225 ground out from freerolls and micros, no deposit.

I'm a cautious player, started as a bomb but now range around 27/12/2 of which I'm trying to tighten to 20/15/2.5

This may help: 10k post: micro stakes full ring guide [long]

VPIP/PFR are a good starting point, but you may want to look at the following stats as well: AF, A%, 3bet, fold to 3bet, steal, cbet, fold to cbet

Huge help, thanks slycbnew

Been trying suggestions on limit with success playing 21/18.4/AF 50%, icon is showing shark, so I'm now on the right trail.

I'm playing 5/10 micro and have had 3 winning sessions in a row.

My hud is PokerEdge is only good up to 25/50 and I hope to reach that level after 6 weeks trialling various methods from ChuckTs post suggest by slycbnew.

fwiw, PokerEdge is prohibited on PS, I'm fairly certain it's prohibited on FT as well.

Nope I have read the PE site security and if you follow their instructions all is ok.

PT is the same, just stay within the site security instructions.

I think PE qualifies under " Players are not permitted to use the hand histories for hands that they have not personally participated in", i use the current stats only.

PT3 is OK difficult to see how it qualifies...

It's up to you, but PE doesn't have the say on whether its ok, the site does.

Yep I will switch to another HUD