| This is a discussion on preflop averages for limit micro players/opponents within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; I'm just curious what you all think of these VP$P & PFR stats for limit micro stakes I've been playing (and grinding my way up ... |
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| preflop averages for limit micro players/opponents I'm just curious what you all think of these VP$P & PFR stats for limit micro stakes I've been playing (and grinding my way up through). Keep in mind they are at $.5-.10 and .10-20, full ring limit games, taken from only about 25k hands, and are my of my opponents, not me. Average VP&P: 32% Tightest quarter: 22% Loosest quarter: 50% Average PFR: 7.5 Most aggressive quarter: 14.0 Least aggressive quarter: 2.5 Btw, yes, I know that every table has it's own characteristics, that you have to make adjustments, that things get very different as the stakes get higher, etc. I'm just trying to figure out how to play a little tighter preflop than my opponents -- just in general. Thanks. (p.s. Top & bottom quarter represents 25th & 75th percentile ... in case you couldn't guess. Duh.) |
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| Yeah, it sure it. Well that's the competition anyway. I guess I'm just trying to figure out, as a very general rule, how tight to play at these limits. As a guideline I've been using Sklansky/Miller's book Small Stakes Holdem & Lee Jones' Winning Low Limit Holedm (two "classics" apparently). Their suggestions for opening hands have you playing about 18% preflop ... which is a LOT tighter than players at micros. I'm thinking I need to loosen waaay up. Any thoughts? |
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| No way, you need to tighten up because of all of the other loose players, so that you can take it to them when you get into a hand. Tighten up, that way you will have a good hand up against their likely crap/marginal hand, which you can control the pot with. Unlike if you loosen up, your crap hand will be up against their crap hands and you will lose over the long run. Wait for the good hands and pick your spots to make moves and you will prosper. The majority of people playing at the micros seem to be between 30-50 VP$IP and they are terrible. If you tighten up and wait until you get a good hand, then bet out on it, they will call with damn near anything and you will profit. 32% is too loose bud |
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| re: preflop averages for limit micro players/opponents poker Quote:
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I thought I did really good to get down from 71% VPIP to 49%... most other people at the tables I play run at the same range the OP mentioned, but my aggression factor for my most recent session was 69... I will really need to continue folding more hands... I did get nice results by cutting out the cold calling, so I have to figure out which hands are worth keeping and which I should throw away.... yes, I know, hand chart, but still... the chart says one thing, but reality feels different... On the other hand, I suspected that certain regulars on the UB micro tables would follow me or make it a point to join tables I sat at. Perhaps I am not so paranoid after all... |
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| Here is a good post by ChuckTs that does a good explanation of VP$IP ranges. Not all of it will apply to this exact post, but it is all helpful and useful information. Quote:
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| re: preflop averages for limit micro players/opponents poker OK gang, so I guess I'm still a bit confused about a general approach to opponenets like these. As I said above, I've basically been sticking to those opening hand charts. If you follow their suggestions, you wind up playing about 17% of your hands ... which, as you can see from the #'s above, is waaaay tighter than micro players. I really thought that although you should tighten up in relation to the other players you're up against, that you need to play a little more loosely at really loose-passive tables. -- otherwise you risk being a nit. Isn't this the case? If it is, I'm wondering how much. In theory, more or less, would think a VP$P of 20% still be too tight against these 32% players? Would, say, being 5% tighter (so around 27%ish) be too loose? (Again, I know it's different with every table, but I'm just talking an approach to loose players in general, in theory.) |
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