Pre-flop calculation

#1 14th September 2008, 3:56 PM

Let's say you have AJ and you put your opponent on QQ, how big an underdog are you ? Does anyone knows a shortcut to calculate this ?

I have been in situations where I've had this hand or a similar one and the short stack moves all in, leaving me not sure what to do.

I have seen Phil Gordon do these calculations on TV in a split second, what's the trick ?

#2 14th September 2008, 4:22 PM

You're about 32% to hit ONE of your two cards on the flop. So, if you have AJ and put your opponent on QQ you really only have three outs. Roughly, then, 16% of hitting on the flop. Hitting the A on the turn or river combined is roughly 12% and 6% (rules of 4 and 2).
I have no idea what the overall percentage is but these are some pretty crappy odds if you're putting your opponent on a hand that leaves you 3 outs.

#3 14th September 2008, 4:32 PM

One overcard to a pair is about 30% (give or take couple % if suited), same as being dominated. Lots of combinations of hands, but most outs are to three cards (about 2% an out five times). Try plugging hands into a poker calculator. Cardschat has one, requires a download I think. There's really no calculating to do preflop (other than pot odds on an allin) there are only several types of 2 card matchups, just learn the odds of them. Pair over pair 80/20, dominated hands 70/30, live cards Ax v Kx 60/40, pair v overs 50/50 and a few others slightly different.

#4 14th September 2008, 4:39 PM

#5 14th September 2008, 6:18 PM

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#6 14th September 2008, 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brann6

You're about 32% to hit ONE of your two cards on the flop. So, if you have AJ and put your opponent on QQ you really only have three outs. Roughly, then, 16% of hitting on the flop. Hitting the A on the turn or river combined is roughly 12% and 6% (rules of 4 and 2).
I have no idea what the overall percentage is but these are some pretty crappy odds if you're putting your opponent on a hand that leaves you 3 outs.

Yes I know but I saw a video about small ball strategie with Daniel N, and he said that it was a correct call, the hand was A10 vs KK.

YouTube - learn to win at Texas Holdem (with Daniel Negreanu) 1of3

#7 14th September 2008, 8:33 PM

ZZ: Haven't seen the video but I read his latest book. DN is also figuring in implied odds of stacking the KK if he hits an ace. You might, using this concept, call a raise with that hand, but why would you call an all-in unless you're extremely shortstacked? That's not small-ball anymore and I'm surprised he made a video suggesting this call.

#8 14th September 2008, 8:42 PM

You can probably get your odds back, but I'm not sure how you stack KK on an ace flop...

#9 14th September 2008, 10:19 PM

I agree D, just kinda going with the flow there because I don't see any implied odds in this. Just figured I was too dumb to see it lol

#10 28th September 2008, 11:16 AM

Does someone have a kind of scheme with these %, or a good website where a can find these?

#11 28th September 2008, 11:24 AM

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