PLO8 expert needed!

In poker a simple calculation i have used to estimate the chances of catching turn or river cards is.TURN : # of outs X 4 = % to hit / River : # of outs X 2 = % to hit

This formula helped me in the beginning enormously and I would like to know of a any similar formulas that can help me with my PLO8 game

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PLO8 odds can be figured the same way, though with really big draws this formula undershoots your % a little.

The way draws work in PLO8 vs HE doesn't change, it's the value of the types of draws, and the sheer magnitude of some multi-draws that changes the way the game plays.

Caps is not a PLO8 expert, but he gave an expert level response.

Even in HE, the outs formula misses on backdoor hands. This compounds in Omaha, and then compounds a bit more in O8.

In O8 it gets much more complicated as it is often some backdoor variant we didn't see, and thus add in to our calculations, that wins the hand. Also, it could easily be the case that with certain hands you have so many outs that you will arrive at a formula solution which exceeds 100%.
AA23 double suited might be one with a flop of 2 of your suit and those being 45xx.
So any suit(9 outs),
A23 (8 more outs)
44 or 55 on the turn/river, along with 6's,7's,8's (12 more outs) and all of a sudden you have 29 outs X4 = 116%.

Granted I double count a few of those outs, but because O8 is a split pot game, with 2 ways to win, I feel semi-justified doing so. Caps point about the quality of those outs improving you hand to become the winning hand are very important. Many times you can improve you hand, but not enough to win the pot, or your share of the pot. Then add in the quartering and the formula falters a bit more.

The point is that that formula doesn't work quite as well for O8 games as it does for HE. But for quick guesstimations, the formula is better than anything else I've seen.

excellent ,

thanks for all this great info, I had searched google for what seemed like eons trying to get this answered . So it seems that I'm on the right track more or less . I had been applying the 4 > 2 formula to plo8 just out of habit anyway with initial success , then it occurred to me that maybe I was way off .