playing with donks that always think they know whats best.

I was playing at a starting table last night (live) and, well it was kind of disgusting...to say the least, it was people i dont usually play with but 2 occasion nearly sent me over the top, because i know im right but the donks overruled me and said i was wrong... here are the 2 situations...

1. I was in the pot, and at the end of a showdown (on the river) the other guy raises, so i call, which means he is supposed to turn over his hand, and then i can choose to muck or not, nope, they wanted me to turn over first and i was not allowed to muck! PISSED OFF because i was on a pure bluff and just called at the end for info as to how the noob plays, so i had to show what i did... which was not cool

2. On the board was AA JJ 7

I had K 2
other guy had pocket 10s

i actually won the pot...
with AA JJ K

but he insisted that he is a pro online and that he wins because of the pocket pair, and everyone at the table agreed with him

Needless to say after that i left the table and went to sit with some of my friends that knew how to play...

(useless info: i won the tourny last night hehe)

How would you have handled this, other than telling them they are all idiots and should quit poker now while they still have money? which is what i did ofcourse

I mightve stayed at the table if they are all that big of idiots, but with idiots you have to be wary. You never know what kind of crap they are calling with. I assume this was a cash table since you got up and left, so these idiots couldve easily made you a lot of money.

I would've just told them to read the rules, and continued to take their chips.

I'd call time... turn on his computer and get him to show me where he wins. This is too funny although at the time I think I'd be slapping them all. So.... he figures '3-pr.' beats ya, hee hee hee. Does 2pr. beat 3-of-a-kind too? How bout 3-pr. vs. a set? (now that'd be interesting).
If they play that poorly I think I'd have a tough time of it and instead would kick back in my LazyBoy and fire up the laptop, 10secs. later and I'm in a game.
Hey.. what's your buddy's poker site screename (the 'online pro'). I think I would like to add him to my 'friends list'.

you may want to carry a set of rules and show them next time

So he had 3 pair... that's a powerful hand in Holdem

LOL!

Was this a home game? If not, surely the dealer/floor manager knows the rules? I'd stop playing the game if the players get to decide that three pair beats top two + best kicker and the dealer doesn't correct them.

If it's a casino or otherwise regulated game, I'm not leaving my seat before they do, too much opportunity. Probably offer to buy drinks to keep them there as long as possible.

Oh, and please do not point out to fish that they're clueless, I certainly do not want them to quit playing poker. Tapping the tank is much worse than claiming that three pair is a good hand.

lol, it was a live tournament, difficult to explain, its a league, and the top 10 of the league play for a big prize...

So, the host does know the rule but is not always strong enough to enforce them, he usually calls me when there is a problem as between me and 2 or 3 of my buddys we are the most experienced and know the rules...

so yeah, i dont think much could have convinced them they are wrong...

Well I would do one of two things.

1. Don't play there (but maybe its a social thing with you and your friends)

2. Print out Roberts rules

http://www.homepokertourney.com/docs...1-fullsize.pdf

Laminate it!!

Familiarise yourself with some of the more common rules you will be citing.

Keep it in your bag.. next time Mr Pro claims his 4 of the same colour bet your 3 of the same number, pull out the rules and call the floor!!

And don't take his nonsense.

Are you sure they were playing poker? (lol)

LOL

perhaps it was the OP who was in error.. having accidently entered the first annual twist tournament.

He said he was an online pro.. you just assumed he meant a poker pro.

Haha it kind of sounds like they knew what they were doing and were trying to screw you over.....almost worked.

I try not to tell bad players what they're doing wrong, unless they're friends that ask for advice or if they're blatantly disregarding the actual rules.

Well for #1 especially in home games who really cares? What's wrong with showing down a bad hand when you called? First off maybe they'll assume in the future you'll do it but more likely they're not smart enough to even remember/apply it later. Bottom line as long as you get to see their cards I really don't think it's a big deal if you have to show.

But #2 on the other hand is a huge deal. Tell them that poker is a 5 card game and ask him which 5 cards he is playing. Then pick the top 2 K kicker for your cards and ask him how his 5 card hand beats you. If they don't know the rules I'd just quit though. If you can't convince them that your top 2 better kicker beats 3 pair what's to make you think they won't try to take the pot from you because their deuce is wild? Or they have a red flush? Playing with bad players is good and all but if they don't know the rules and the pot starts going the wrong way I think it's time to find a new game.

As far as I know if you go down to the river and he bets and you call....He is to turn over his cards first...then you....at the point you see who wins......The only other time you would turn over your cards first is if you go all-in and he calls....

Let them have their day. Don't play in games in which the rules aren't decided upon before play.

I'm not sure I get ya here??.. .do the rules change?

I had a similar problem in a house game where people said I couldn't reraise preflop because someone went all-in. His all-in was more then double my original bet. Printing the rules now to avoid this in the future .

I would print the rules if I was going to play them again, but the fact of the matter is that they were prolly just pulling a bully tactic so it won't matter what u say. lol....Good Luck if u go back!

Starting table ? what is that anyway if u meant tourney how did u leave im confused..u probably meant cashgame right? that part about you winning the tourney threw me off...

its a tourny, hosted by someone i know, i got up and insisted i was moved to a different table...

Was this in a casino of some sort. Wouldnt the dealer know the rules. You must have been at someones home or something but what about the other tables you said were people were or your friends were. This is totally weird to me. Anyway Id like to play those guys and I sure would not have left without the chips from that hand. They woudl have to kill me LOL

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aww yes...the "i play for a living online" people are always funny humour

As far as the 2 situations are concerned you were 100% right both times. But you know that aleady.

You have just been angle shot me thinks.

Wildcard, you have got to be either very passive or you were scared of the other players(sorry) I've been in a couple of those situations before.
To the guy who said he made a living playing online? I would have laughed him off the table. That dude had his head so far up his ass, he needed a glass belly button to see.
2nd, if he insisted he had the better hand, playing online for a "living", I would have had him explain in GREAT DETAIL how the f-ck he thought a 10 kicker (which is what he had after the river) beat a K kicker. Then if he still thought he won, I would have asked him to COUNT the cards in order from smallest to highest. IF he's still too stupid,(remember, he does need a glass belly button) I get the other tables involved. But hey, that's me. I turn into a complete dick in the face of stupidity.

LOL, what was he playing online " the best of 6 cards"..... DUH everyone knows the best of 5 cards win, and not 6....

what, three pair isnt the best hand? lol get away from donks like that and play with people who know how to play

#1 is actually correct at showdown they can force you to show your cards although it is against etiquette. it actually happened at the aussie millions 2007: YouTube - Aussie Millions 2007 Main Event EP5 4/5 about 4:30 into it, and Andy Black is not even in the hand that bit is weird apart from that i agree with the rule.

NO this isn't quite what the OP was talking about.

At showdown the person who bet last has to show his cards first.

Then the caller can either show a better hand or fold.

In the OP's description the table thought the caller should show first.

After the better has shown and the caller mucked... then a player may request to see a player's mucked cards.

This rule exists to prevent colluding, i.e. the mucked hand beats the winning hand, but is mucked anyway.

Whilst any player is free to ask for this at any time, its frowned upon because it gives away information for free and as the rule is there to prevent cheating, you are basically accusing the guy of cheating by invoking it.

There is no official limit to who how or when it can be used, but some casinos will issue a player with a warning if they feel he is asking to see mucked cards too often.

Ah right sorry i thought he was more annoyed at the fact he was forced to show not that he was told to show first, i thought just trying to add to the point about how little they knew of the rules.

play your game and dont get in mind what they are saying... if you think it was right then it was... There always will be much of people who will say that you play wrong... whocares... you winned and thats it.! :P

If they are all idiots, certainly stay.. You can win a lot of money.. Let them talk about that they're good.. You're the one that has a lot of profit at the end