Player Note Sharing

#1 17th April 2010, 3:49 AM

Is it wrong to share player notes?

What about lists of players that just aren't any good at certain games/stakes?

I'm just wondering, don't skin me alive...

#2 17th April 2010, 9:24 AM

It's like sharing hand history. It's just not good sportmenship. I'm not sure if it's againt the rules? I think it is

#3 17th April 2010, 3:52 PM

It is probably wrong however I wouldn't really want someone else's notes.
If you have different styles of play those notes probably would be the same on a particular player anyway. As well as the fact I find within 5 min at a table you can usually get an idea of type of a player someone is.

#4 17th April 2010, 5:56 PM

I've never thought about that. It would be an extremely tedious process to share your notes unless there was a specific download or something where they are all kept. Hmm Idk the programs enough to know if that is do able so beyond being unstable and probablly tedious it seems much less worth the hassle.

Stix

#5 18th April 2010, 3:49 AM

Its frowned upon...just like masturbating on an airplane.

#6 19th April 2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LombardiStix

I've never thought about that. It would be an extremely tedious process to share your notes unless there was a specific download or something where they are all kept. Hmm Idk the programs enough to know if that is do able so beyond being unstable and probablly tedious it seems much less worth the hassle.

Stix

Easy enough to do if you just download notes off puter, then put them on another one. Pretty sure it's against the rules obv.
welcome back to CC there Lombardistix

#7 19th April 2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tomh7795

It's like sharing hand history. It's just not good sportmenship. I'm not sure if it's againt the rules? I think it is

I imagine that if you had a database of notes on players and gave all of them to another it could be considered against a site's TOS.

Not good sportsmanship? Not sure I'd go that far.

But, as far as talking to others about players about others and sharing what you know about particular players and their style, I don't see why this is a problem.

#8 20th April 2010, 12:05 AM

It is 100% aginst the rules

It is called data mining

#9 21st April 2010, 8:54 PM

It is against the rules. I dont remember who it was off the top of my head but full tilt recently suspended one of their pros account for doing this.

#10 21st April 2010, 9:00 PM

You can't do it on a plane!
Darn!

#11 21st April 2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FTP_TheNuts

It is 100% aginst the rules

It is called data mining

Data mining is sharing hand histories. Discussng hands or sharing what you know about a player is not. Like if I told you that IllyPhilly can't get away from top pair--this is not data mining.

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Originally Posted by Drunkard912

It is against the rules. I dont remember who it was off the top of my head but full tilt recently suspended one of their pros account for doing this.

He admitted to sharing hand histories of a lot of hands of a player. Not just discussing the player and sharing notes. The actual data that could be studied and a playing strategy developed from these hands. If a player uses the hand histories of hands that he actually played, that's not a issue.

#12 22nd April 2010, 12:40 AM

Don't sharkscope do this yet?
I think it's almost the same thing
I don't like this ideia

#13 22nd April 2010, 1:25 AM

Pretty sure it violates the rules. The sites have rules against just looking at a site like "poker table ratings" while you are actually playing since you are getting information on a player on hands you were not personally involved in. If that is against the rules, then i'm pretty sure that uploading your entire 'notes' to someone else wouldn't be kosher either.

#14 22nd April 2010, 2:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tbdbitl

Data mining is sharing hand histories. Discussng hands or sharing what you know about a player is not. Like if I told you that IllyPhilly can't get away from top pair--this is not data mining.

He admitted to sharing hand histories of a lot of hands of a player. Not just discussing the player and sharing notes. The actual data that could be studied and a playing strategy developed from these hands. If a player uses the hand histories of hands that he actually played, that's not a issue.

Data mining is sharing something you have laernt personally by observing or playing with someone who was not observing or playing.

Therefor you are sharing information you have picked up with people who havt picked up the information

Player notes are reads you pick up at the tables, say you make a note someone is LAG, and you tell a friend to do the same on the same person, then you have told them something they didnt earn for themselves.

If it isnt data mining its a pretty thin line

#15 22nd April 2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FTP_TheNuts

Data mining is sharing something you have laernt personally by observing or playing with someone who was not observing or playing.

You and anyone else is flat wrong if you think sharing intellectual knowledge is data mining.

Here is the best concise definition that I've seen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining

#16 23rd April 2010, 12:54 AM

I'm a member of stoxpoker and cardrunners. And most of the training videos discuss how differents player play. In a lot of these videos you actually get to see the instructors take notes on various villains. As far as I know this is allowed. So I'd say this is defiantly grey area.

#17 23rd April 2010, 2:29 AM

Why in the world would you want to provide this information to other players?

#18 23rd April 2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes747

Its frowned upon...just like masturbating on an airplane.

You are comparing exchanging intellectual information to masterbating on an airplane?

Ohhhhhh nm I understand.

#19 24th April 2010, 12:33 AM

My questioin is why would you want to do that. Someone can pretty much figure out if there is a bad player at their table.

#20 24th April 2010, 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rcbstuff

My questioin is why would you want to do that. Someone can pretty much figure out if there is a bad player at their table.

That's obvious but your note taking should be more detailed than, "this player is lolbad". If you figure out that this guy spews in 3 bet pots or over plays sets on wet boards or any number of things. This is detailed information which you can use to exploit a reg or semi-fish.

#21 24th April 2010, 2:49 AM

Notes on ok to good players are just as useful (more than imo) as notes on bad players.

#22 26th April 2010, 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by slycbnew

Notes on ok to good players are just as useful (more than imo) as notes on bad players.

+1 to more useful on good players.

It can only take a few hands to work out a player is awful

#23 26th April 2010, 2:27 AM

You have to keep in mind though that when you are reading someone elses notes. They can mean something totally different from what you are thinking. So let the note sharing continue.

#24 28th April 2010, 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes747

Its frowned upon...just like masturbating on an airplane.

HA! That made me spit beer all over my keyboard.

#25 28th April 2010, 9:17 AM

I don't think its a problem if your just talking to someone and comparing players but I can't really see the point of sharing 'notes' - how often are you gonna play with these people? ok you can search for them but what are you gonna learn from someone else's notes that you won't learn within an hour anyway? The notes may be totally wrong or not informative.

I suppose if your playing high stakes it might be worth something but in micros, where most people are, i'd say its pointless.

(+1 to sly- have more detailed notes on good players than bad ones.)

#26 28th April 2010, 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes747

Its frowned upon...just like masturbating on an airplane.

ohhhh wow........ thats not ok?????

that explains a lot.......

#27 28th April 2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes747

Its frowned upon...just like masturbating on an airplane.

one more question.... That is only in coach, right??

#28 29th April 2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by atlantafalcons0

Is it wrong to share player notes?

What about lists of players that just aren't any good at certain games/stakes?

I'm just wondering, don't skin me alive...

One more thought on this. Notes are relative to the taker, so notes could be misleading. Its like one guy saying "that girl is beautiful" where the other says "well, I guess she looks uhhh interesting..."

Not to mention that it is probably an unethical thing to do.....

I hope I am not going to be roasted for that comparison. I may start a new movement: Feminists united against Fletchdad....uh oh......

One of my best friends is lesbian, does that clear me????

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