Percent of hands folded preflop that result winners

Hello. As everybody in poker, I fold hands preflop that would eventually result winners. Which do you think should be a reasonable percent for those hands?

% of Hands Folded Preflop Resulting Winners = (Number of Hands Folded Preflop Resulting Winners / Total Number of Hands)

Advanced thanks. Wave.

Why worry about this? The question is very results-oriented and is something most poker players try to avoid. Good poker players are the ones who focus on making the right moves at the right time no matter the outcome.

If you fold 72 PF and the flop comes 222, don't worry about it. You made the correct decision by folding 72 PF and that's nearly all that matters in poker. Correct decisions.

Personally I don`t think it has no use what so ever knowing that.
Because that also would include hands like 72o, and flop comes 777.
Those hands you never want to play anyway.
So no point of knowing what % of folding hands would turnout to be winners.

Edit: Sorry Mr. Sticker, was typing my post when you posted yours. lol
Same thought tho.

Hmmm. DpA/(H-F) where H= total hands, F=flops seen, D=Don't p=pay A=attention. I don't know how to work that out since I don't pay attention to the cards I folded.

Gosh, you're practically a genius

We've all been there, and we say, "Oh, I would have floppped quads, or a boat, or what have you. But as stated before, focusing on making the right decisions at the right time should be your goal. Otherwise, you are going to remember the time you folded 72 and the flop rolled 777, and you're going to start calling everytime you get 72. Then your next question will be why is my flops seen % so high?

Thx for ur replies. I think u all are absolutely right when u say its useless to pay attention to the cards folded, so from now on, I will adopt this policy.

Thx again for ur comments.

Wave.

Rags are rags, even if they hit and would have been the winner. But, I do pay attention to the hands that may be "marginal" preflop...like one or two gap suited connectors. Usually, I just bleed chips when playing these hands, even in late position and in a limped pot. So, I do try to pay attention to see if my fold was a good move or would have hit. Of course, it does no good to worry about what might have been. But, if I see players limping a lot or playing weak starting hands, I will often begin playing these marginal hands in late position.

That's the spirit! Welcome to the forum.

Thx Ranger, good point. I'll take ur comment into account too.

Not that it should matter but there is a pretty easy way to find out.
the % obvs just the same as you whould have played the hand.
Example,a hand you fold prf 99,9% of times:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 05.868% 05.01% 00.86% 22645 3890.94 { 72s, 72o }
Hand 1: 11.730% 10.62% 01.13% 47961 5086.78 { random }
Hand 2: 11.708% 10.59% 01.13% 47848 5100.11 { random }
Hand 3: 11.819% 10.71% 01.13% 48360 5090.28 { random }
Hand 4: 11.727% 10.60% 01.14% 47868 5166.11 { random }
Hand 5: 11.844% 10.70% 01.16% 48342 5219.36 { random }
Hand 6: 11.783% 10.67% 01.13% 48179 5109.03 { random }
Hand 7: 11.734% 10.61% 01.14% 47926 5141.28 { random }
Hand 8: 11.788% 10.67% 01.14% 48176 5135.11 { random }

72 whould win 5,8% of the times u fold it pre flop,but folding pre flop was still the right move.....

Very nice Sindri, thx.

I can't remember cards that I fold on-line for more than 3 seconds. If you are out of the hand it makes no difference. Look how much money you make by folding vs by calling. I bet that number will look better to you.

I have always found this an interesting topic. Percent of flops seen in an MTT. Isn't that really what you are talking about? Really? In my experience, I find I do best in MTT events when my flops seen % runs between 13% and 18% down to 27 players. If I make it to the final table, that number will increse as the number of players decrease and I am forced to lower my starting hand standards. I have won an MTT with over 1000 players and saw 9% of the flops - total. On that note, I find it unreal that I can sit and play that few hands and still get action when I do play a hand. Further, I sometimes seem to get a run where I am getting a lot of the upper end - marginal hands in good position. If that is the case I will play those hands for small pots and my % of flops will increase to 18% - 22%. I do not consider myself a very lucky player. I use the math to help me make overall decisions. I use what little poker skills to help me win most pots I win.

As already mentioned, bad decision here to base future play on what you see hit the board in 'past' hands.

Another VERY good reason is that only ONE site I know of claims to preset the entire deck before dealing the first card. That is Pokerstars. All other sites using a 'constant shuffle'. The cards you see hit the board are NOT the ones that would have been dealt anyway.

I think Carbon offers a 'rabbit' feature, so they 'may' preset the deck, but even UB's new 'rabbit' feature is a joke because the new Cereus software uses a constant shuffle. Playing on Stars, the cards you see played out in a hand ARE the cards that would have been dealt, same as with a live table deck. Any site where a constant shuffle is in use, nano-seconds and keystroke differences can and DO change the resulting 'next' card.

I am NOT saying you can manipulate the outcome in your favor through delays, mouse movements, etc. BUT, it DOES change the 'next card' that will be selected from the remaining deck that is in constant shuffle.

Number of hands Folded PreFlop that would become Winners if not folded.

I agree the number would be interesting.
If you think about it like that why not play any two cards.
You could be folding a winner.
No justice in Hold em.


NLH is about Precise Timing and Aggression and has no place for indecision and second guessing past decisions.

That being said switch up your game and occasional play a HOJ (Hand O Junk) if it feels right or your chip stack permits. If you hit they wont see it coming.



Good Luck .......

a very smart and wise guy said on here> Folding=Winning,, think it was Dorkus, and i believe that, most of my wins are when my folding percentage is below 15%,, im pretty sure it was Chris who said it and it stuck in the back of my mind, ill always remember that,,buck

Great advice on here, just remember the ole' saying:
"If you never fold a winning hand you are playing too loose; if you fold too many winning hand you are playing too tight".

You should absolutely pay attention to what hands you're folding, how else would you determine if you're playing tight aggressive or loose/aggressive or being a nit or what? As per your original post, yes, it is pointless to worry about folding hands that WOULD have become winning hands... unless of course you're folding JJ/QQ/KK/AA :P

Completely agree with sticker on this one, results of this nature are irrelevant. Concerntrate on the Decisions, ignore the results. If the initial decision was correct that's all that's going to matter in the long run.

Whether the next card in a poker hand is "set" at the start of the hand or pulled from a constantly shuffled deck is irrelevant and has nothing to do with anything that matters in poker. None of the odds change in any way because of these methods and random distribution is not affected either. Both are perfectly valid scenarios since the "next card" is unknown prior to being dealt. Next up for discussion is how PS doesn't burn a card from their preset deck thereby changing which card should have been dealt next unlike in a live game.

0% : Folded hands can't win

As said before: Forget them, there are plenty of stats that make sense - this doesn't.

Compare all those 'would have won it' hands vs. all those 100's of hands you would have LOST with it and it should bring you back into perspective.

I'm gonna guess in a 9 handed game, about 1/9 and in a 6-handed game, about 1/6? (Maybe slightly less, since you aren't counting your playable hands, which you actually played).

Keep in mind that you only know if your hands beat the ones that were shown down. You don't know if you beat the ones that the other players folded.

Now that you know you have the same chance as everybody else, stop worrying about arbitrary things, and work to improve your game.

I don't know the percentages but You Will always fold winning hands in poker especially when you don't know what cards are coming . that's whats great about poker. that's also why early in tourneys I try and see as many flops as I can. I will play a lot of marginal cards if I am able to limp in. Depends a lot on how the table is to and my position also.