Paying to see flops

Regardless of my pocketcards I always pay to see the flop unless someone tripples whatever the big blind is (not often I play small tables (0.5 - 0.3 ). And if someone does bet big pre-flop I'll play it normal and determine if its worth it with my pocket cards. What do you guys think?

Knowing nothing about you, welcome to CC btw, we have to assume you are new to the game.

If so, break that habit quick. It is a gigantic leak and costs you money.

I could go on and on, but general advice is to stop it......NOW! Peruse all that we have hashed out over the years here at CC, and you should find plenty to help you decide that what you are doing is costly.

Hi and welcome to CC yogi.

Limping in or flat calling a minraise is rarely a good idea since you seldom have the proper odds to do it - with a few exeptions.

Usually it depends on stack sizes compared to the amount you put in when set mining with small and medium pocket pairs or limping stuff like suited connectors,

opponents tendencies, position and quite a bunch of other factors, too.

Always limping/cold calling minbets regardless of your holdings is a huge leak in my book and I'd be constantly searching for players like that at my tables.

Do you know the odds you have when someone "bets big" preflop depending on your holdings ?

Don't take this too hard: I doubt it.

Anyway - look around here and read on starting hand requirements here:

http://www.cardschat.com/poker-strategy.php

Again welcome to CC - we'd be happy if we could improve your game

start folding 85% of the hands you play preflop.

there, i just made you a ton of money.

baudib is right.

Seeing every flop is throwing money away. You need to tighten up your starting hands and then use position.
I have the tight hands down, lol

This is a huge mistake and a bad habbit. If you do not correct yourself now than you will always be a losing player. When the winning/loosing line is so thin, leaking money playing random hands just puts you on the loosing side.
Do not think that winning players make a fortune over night. Winning players increase their BR little by little. Every leak and mistake, every -EV move here and there immediately makes a winning player cross the line to the other side.

Unless your a very good post flop player (which preusming you are new I don't think you will be) touching most cards is only ever going to end badly. Tighten up and when you get a bit better start looking at suited connectors etc that do offer the implied odds.

No matter how good you are playing all the hands is a mistake. Even if you are as good as Phil Ivey postflop you will still loose your money on the long run if you play all the hands. Why? Because of that thin line between loosing and winning. Several BBs plus or minus over 100 hands are the profit. If you throw them away by playing a lot of starting hands having to fold postflop is throwing away your profit.

I have found that it is better to protect your stack than to gamble with it by seeing a lot of flops. You will do better to understand the odds of the starting hands and wait for a good hand. I personally never like to limp into a hand. Raise or fold.....only play a hand that you are willing to wager your entire stack on.

Well obviously if you play all hands its bad no matter how good you are, the point remains though that you can get paid off better by playing LAG and people wrongly labelling you as a maniac.

So you never play suited connectors or AXs or Low pocket pairs. I'm sure as hell not looking to get all my stack in with these but implied odds give you the ability to play them. If I see someone with PFR the same as their VP$IP then I'm laughing all the way whilst i take their money, may as well play your cards face up. It pretty much tells me when to get out of the way and they're really easy to trap post-flop as they don't ever imagine that they have a big hand that has been beaten. I love getting into pots against people like this as I can play a lot of hands profitably against them because they represent huge implied odds.

News Flash;

Yogi90 has lost all his money and can no longer afford internet service.

lol no I'm still here thanks for the tips I'm reading what you guys suggested now. I wasn't doing to bad with the way I played I always broke even and never got ahead though.

Maybe you're inventing a revolutionary new profitable method, but its more likely that you have a very small sample-size. Give some more info.

Usually when a topic starts the way this one did, the response from the OP to good advice is 'well I'm happy doing this and you all don't know what you're talking about'.
I'ts very refreshing to see that you may have taken some of this very good advice on board.
I'm sure that if you read some more books and posts on starting hand requirements and position play you'll soon start to show a profit

Good Luck

Haha I wish
Thanks Samango
mods can delete this topic if needed.

There's a lot of bad play at micros, so much that you can have a big leak or two and still break even. But since your goal is presumably to become a winning player, playing nearly every hand isn't a good approach. In general, you can play more hands from the later positions, but overall, if you're playing much more than 30-35% of hands, you're probably too loose. And that doesn't mean you should aim for this much. 15%, which was already suggested, is fine to learn a solid TAG style.

Placed really high in a tournament, played tight but once I started to get close to the cashing I got sloppy and played bad hands I shouldn't have. I think the nerves got to me being so close to actually winning something. Thanks for the advice, I feel my game overrall is improving even though I'm still down money. I just couldn't shake it out of my head that "Oh man I'm so close to actually cashing right now" Then I figured just gotta win a couple hands to guarntee my spot then bam boom I get knocked out.

Seeing nearly every Flop, if identified it is definitely a exploitable leak.
Glad to see you tightened up a bit and improved lessened the leak.

Position and situational recognition.

Glad you did well tonight and that you have changed your game a bit for the better.
If you had to improve your chipstack to avoid bubbling.. well, we've all been there and sometimes it doesn't work out. You have to make a judgement on how much you are going to adjust the range of hands you are prepared to play. I personally prefer to never rely on 'any two cards', but to get your money in with something that has a chance.
Keep it up

Sounds pretty cool! Hope this strategy passes along to many others.
What,... do you guys think?

I think instauatobefriend all of them.

No need for the mods to delete this. You are probably not all that experienced, and this is a forum you should come to for information. And the post is legitimate. A bad way to play for sure, but if you knew that already you would not be asking.

You state in one post you are breaking even, then in a later post that you are down money.

The trend seems to be going south. So, that should help you answer your own OP question: No, it is not a good idea to pay to see a lot of flops.

You can find a lot of good info here. TBO, Baudib1 one line above is very true. Of course, its not that simple. Do you understand the concept of position? Do you know why ATo is a bad hand to play UTG but a great hand to open with on the button? Do you understand why raising is better than calling? I imagine not.

So, read, ask, and throw those marginal hands away.

Thanks guys and yeah fletchdad I'm still reading I understand positioning, not sure what ATo (ace ten offsuit???) means but UTG is under the gun right? I'm still reading!! Oh and when I said I was still down I meant it at the money lost from the buy in for that tournament sorry was excited and worded it wrong.

Sklansky hand rankings. Whichever reads better for you. The bottom one gives you an idea of when to play what hands.

Thanks put it as my wallpaper on my phone lol.

You'll find in time Sklanskys hand rankings become irrelevant, you'll develop a feel and your own game of what to paly and how to play it.

It depends on what the stack sizes are of course, and how much of a read you have on villian, if you dont know much about him, Id be alot more selective

Sklansky hand rankings ! Iactually never looked up this information , nice to know and im keeping a copy of this for Ref. Nice