PART 1-PREFLOP: How would you play against me w/ these stats, & what am I doing wrong

When I just starting playing online, I posted my old stats for the $2NL & 5NL full ring cash games tables I was playing. Well tens of thousands of hands later, I've gotten a little better, though I still need some serious improvement. I sometimes play $10NL now but not as well as $5NL, and I multi around 4-6 tables.

Here are my preflop #'s. Let me know how you would play against me if you saw this info in your HUD. What are some of my a big PF leaks would? How I could improve my game? I know I'm FAR from ideal, anything would be helpful. Thanks in advance for all your help! Btw, This first part will cover (mostly) my PREFLOP play; I'll post another on POSTFLOP in another thread). My last $15,000k hands:

VPIP: 16 (ep 10 / mp 12 / co 20 / btn 27 / sb 24 / bb 12)
PRF: 12 (ep 10 / mp 10 / co 17 / btn 20 / sb 15 / bb 5)

3Bet preflop: 5.3
Call 3Bet: 43
4Bet range: 1.9
Cold Call: 8.5
Squeeze: 1.2
Avr bet size: 4xbb + 1 per limper

Att to Steal: 30 (from co 24 / btn 33 / sb 39)
Folded SB to Steal: 76
Folded BB to Steal: 79

Postflop Agression: 5.0
WSTD: 21
W$SD: 44

I usually color-code my opponents:

RED - tight aggressive reg nit
ORANGE - reg, slightly more aggressive, but not LAG
YELLOW - LAG with high aggression frequency
GREEN - fish
PURPLE - short stacker

I'd most likely place you as orange...someone I would not usually get involved with post-flop on a dry board, but due to your 3bet calling range would probably flat you on drawing hands.

Overall your stats are pretty solid - I do feel your average bet size of 4BB X1 per limper is maybe a leak. I think it is reasonable in EP, but lowering to 3.5 or even 3 in later positions will help you trim off some losses when you whiff.

Nit. I'd make a hand better than an overpair, and then jam dollaz in.

FR stats.

I don't think anyone can tell you how we'd play against you based solely on stats.

Ideally you would not be sitting at my table as you seem to have a sound preflop game. Don't know much about you on the flop. Probably would proceed with cauition if I saw you firing off some big bets. Preflop I would play my usual game until you pushed back at me.

Well depending on the position and of course the PFR villain, my 3bet range is TT+ AJs+, AQo+. I think that's about ~5%. But def pretty much AA, KK, AKs for 4Bets. Again, depending on the specific situation. Does that seem ok? Also keep in mind that we're basically talking about full ring 5NL micros. I'm under the impression that playing a little nitty usually good approach at these tiny stakes.

What in general is a good bet size then? I was under the impression that it's best to bet a little less early and a little more later. Could be wrong though.

(Postflop stats coming in a few mins. Gathering now.)

BB/100 ?

The follow up about my post flop stats are here. (Probably should have just made it one long post. Lol.)

Ha, oh yeah. Forgot that. Not good. -5.1 bb/100. (That's big blinds, not PTBB's)

Whoah!

I haven't looked at your post flop stuff yet...

Based on your style (similar to my own) I think you should be winning A LOT more showdowns.

Duh! I know... but... even though our stats are similar my W$SD is well over 50%.

Just looked at your post flop stats... still similar to my own.

The only big differences we have is in W$SD and BB/100...

I think you're just showing down the worst had too often.

Do you post hands in HA?

Yup, totally agree. And that W$SD stat ... well, that's pretty much what's screwing my winrate up. I'm not putting people on ranges enough, and am surprised when my hand isn't the best at showdown -- which is something I probably don't do quite enough. Arrrg.

Yes, I have been posting hands in the HA forum. It's helping too!

Are you losing money at SD or in NSD pots?

These are the hands you need to be posting in HA.

Also, I'd recommend getting away from stats for a while and reading up on some basic theory. Like maximizing the pots we are likely to win and minimizing pots we are likely to lose...

Harrington on Cash Games...

Yup, that's exactly right. I've got a nice fat winrate when I VPIP but don't see the showdown, and a negative winrate when I don't.

Own it, on the bookshelf, about to be opened (along with a bunch of other "classic archive" threads & strategy articles in the forums) in the next week or two.

By having a very high aggression, a low WTSD and a low W$SD means it looks like you are trying to bet everyone out of every pot that you are in.
Most of the time people are folding to this aggression, this is why we don't see many showdowns. However when they are not folding, most of the time they have us beat.

Although looking at the other thread, your c bet % is low for these stakes, your fold to flop cbet is quite high and you Agg% is nothing crazy either.

I'm confused...

I was too... but, put a gun to my head, and I'd say OP is playing with the intent to take "good starting hands to showdown" and we're running into problems post flop.

It sounds like he's working on it...

Thanks I think you just plugged a leak for me.

Knowing when good starting hands turn bad, before the start to be costly

Bingo. I think I've been taking the tight-aggression approach too far. I'm constant trying to push people out and knock players off better hands ... and it works a lot of the time, but too often it leaves me on the river either pot-committed or just in disbelief that the villain made some absurd draw -- I call and lose my stack, and my winrate plummets. Grrr.

That's the soundbite of the this thread.