Omaha Flush Draws (almost) always complete

#1 25th October 2009, 9:27 AM

Ok, I'll have to go through my hand histories for some factual numbers, but ...

It seems that on any site I play Omaha on, including Stars, FT, Carbon, Pokertime, whenever a flop appears with a 2flush, it seems that it almost always completes to a 3 or more flush.

This seems to happen much less often in Holdem.

Is there a mathematical / probability reason that a flush board should complete more often than in Holdem?

Or is it just my imagination ?

#2 26th October 2009, 12:05 AM

Just your imagination / selective recall.

You've seen two more cards in the hand compared to NLHE so you've got a slightly different percentage of hitting your outs in Omaha but that doesn't explain any massive increase in the number of flushes that hit.

#3 26th October 2009, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstram

Or is it just my imagination ?

Yes. But don`t worry. It`s not a problem as long as you are not also hearing the voices.

#4 26th October 2009, 12:20 AM

Well if you're playing well, you will chuck hands pre that don't have any flush possibilities, so you're odds improve that you are holding a hand that could complete.

If your double suited you have better chance of hitting, and if you are 4 flushed pre that would lower your odds.

#5 26th October 2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by slgalt

Well if you're playing well, you will chuck hands pre that don't have any flush possibilities, so you're odds improve that you are holding a hand that could complete.

If your double suited you have better chance of hitting, and if you are 4 flushed pre that would lower your odds.

True, but OPs suggestion was that the third card falls more often on the board. Hole cards are not relevant to that.

#6 26th October 2009, 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Egon Towst

True, but OPs suggestion was that the third card falls more often on the board. Hole cards are not relevant to that.

Yes that is what I meant, the third flush card, and sometimes even a fourth falling on the board, not whether I hit the flush, regardless of what hole cards hands I had.

True, I may be more aware of it, becase in Omaha Hi freerolls, I basically only play for flushes, boats, or trips, quads, i.e. I have AaXa or a pp. (Maybe that's why I've never cashed in one yet lol. Did get up to about ~70th in a FT one once).

#7 30th October 2009, 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstram

True, I may be more aware of it, becase in Omaha Hi freerolls, I basically only play for flushes, boats, or trips, quads, i.e. I have AaXa or a pp. (Maybe that's why I've never cashed in one yet lol. Did get up to about ~70th in a FT one once).

First, I'd like to make a distinction between trips and sets. If you have trips, meaning the pair is on the board, you can be sure someone will end up w/the boat, if not already flopped it. I'll fold AAKQ in a heartbeat if the flop brings a JJ8.

Second, your game will be very incomplete without some mastery of the component of straights. Gappers, wraps, and # of nut and non-nut outs - and starting hands that likeliest to produce more nut outs.

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