Not getting pot odds, is there revenge?

I grasp playing with favorable pot odds gives a positive expective value. What I fail to understand is what about the guy not giving you pot odds? At my micro stakes level most ppl either min bet, or most common pot bet. OMG another pot bet, didn't see that one coming! When they continuously pot bet say with a pair (heads up) and im drawing say 30% to improve and win, where do they lose money? Seems there's a reword for ppl not giving odds. Shouldn't there be a just as equal downside where the game kinda evens out naturally, not just based on my play? On the flip side, I obviously am going to make him pay for his flush draw. But how much is to much?

Im playing rush so not relying on tells or patterns. Kinda looking at this from a mathematical. Point of view.
Oh, and hello everyone.

Of course there is a reward for the person not giving the other favourable odds to continue. Why let someone draw out on you for free?

I said I got that part. Its all the other words in my paragraph need a response to.

When you bet make sure its not profitable for the other person to chase it

Now that I think about all this, my issue is calling ppls bluff. In rush poker you can't really tell since im not using a hud or tracking software. I feel like to many ppl are just continuation bets with nothing of their own to often but can't tell when I should call. When I do its bad timing. I think im to timid. What are some ways to break out of my shell? I want to learn by not relying on computer software at all! No doubt its probably a big disadvantage for me. Maybe that's not possible these days to succeed at online that way with the amount of ppl playing. If i knew how to change gears then i could continue to play online by using ppls relience on there huds against them
Im not anywhere that good yet but its an option. I've never tried a live game. Maybe that will fill what's missing.

I just find it lame to rely on software. Its not wrong as long everyone has the same opportunity. Its not for me. I don't want to feel tied to my computer for success. Live games, fewer ppl, and get a chance to learn reads that way instead. Since I've never played rl before my composure will be a dead givaway at first. Then you have to deal with fewer hands an hour, not playing in my living room, driving over there. The world isn't perfect. I have some thinking to do. But I think live action would be better. And its legal, or so I believe.

This went way off topic already. Oh well I can come back to this post time and time again while I find my way.

My guess is that you're probably calling too much with marginal hands if you're seeing a lot of continuation bets where you're on a draw. By not giving you odds to draw, villian is assuming he's already ahead. Tighten up your calling requirements so that you're ahead more often on the flop. Then fold the hands where you're not getting correct odds, and call or re-raise (depending on whether you want the hand over now, or you want to suck him in further) when you've already got a made hand. When you do re-raise, make sure that you're not giving him correct odds to draw out on you, but don't bet too much in case he already has a monster. That way you lose a little on the flops that don't fit your hand, but win big on others. The game is not "even" because of the skill required to determine when you're likely to be ahead (or when you can make villian think you're ahead), and to size your bets correctly for each situation. There are books and articles that can help you build that skill.

Disclaimer: I hate Rush and I don't use a HUD. I prefer tournaments or standard cash games, but I don't usually multitable so I can concentrate and try to get a read on my opponents.

The guy c-betting the pot out of position is taking a risk -- if you have indeed hit the flop, he is likely gonna lose that c-bet. If you are on a draw, being in position lets you see if you're getting the right price to chase. So position is important -- maybe obvious, but hasn't been mentioned yet.

Also board texture -- I am suspicious when a pot-sized bet comes on a ragged board, when a half or 2/3 pot bet would do the trick. Does the guy just want to cash in his pair or is he c-betting without paying attention?

Rush tables might not be the best place to be working on this stuff, as you won't know how often the guy is betting the flop. I don't use the extra software either; but even multi-tabling you can recognize when someone is betting more often than they should...

Thankyou for your input. The bold parts is what I found extremely useful. I was looking for that focal point where the game shifts around. Where strategies collide. So when they refuse to give pot odds its because they think they are already ahead or are bluffing.


In my case it must be just poor play. They see a big hand and refuse to let it go. Or all in with regs along for the ride because two others called the all in. I dont feel their plays are personal, but habitual. So if that is the case I should be more inclined to call down for this limit.

This is good stuff. Im starting to ask how would I play this hand. If im at their level and we play similer, I just need to look at myself to come up with strategies. For instance I only reraise preflop on major starting hands for heads up (still get numerous callers) so maybe bet only AA KK and limp the lowers pairs hoping for trips on flop vs trying to get heads up holding 77 and getting 4 callers losing odds. Or don't call reraise after flop cause I would only do that if I had made hand. Even if was winning hand why risk it when there's easier plays a few hands down.

This may be simple to you all but for the first time ever playing I see it like building blocks. I've read about this stuff like table image. Its just now sinking in. Kinda feel lost in the cold here though, lol. Unchartered territory. Don't want to steer myself wrong lose my only $100.00 bankroll and not know why? Im not up for expensive lessons, lol. Any tips like would be grateful. Thanks alot.

Or it could be a semi-bluff where they have a strong draw and they hope you'll either fold or they can draw out on you.

Good points. The OP sounded to me like the situation was calling raises in position. I hope he's not talking about a limp in early position, call a raise, check the flop, then wonder why villain makes a big continuation bet. Please say you're not doing this, Torrentula!

If you have more time than money to spend on learning, I recommend making the effort to build a few million in play chips before moving on to cash games. (This is how I started) Some say this is a waste of time and that at best you learn nothing, and at worst you learn bad habits that will have to be unlearned later on. Some say you should do freerolls instead. I think that if you can't beat the play money, you have no chance at real money, and that you will learn more from play money than freerolls about bankroll management, cash game strategy, and playing on the bubble, short handed and heads up.

If you feel you must play for real money then I would strongly encourage you to switch from Rush to micro cash or non-turbo tournaments. I would lean towards single table SNG's because I think they give the lowest bankroll variance. Also, Rush encourages quick, not thoughtful decisions, and does not easily allow you to watch hands that you're not involved in to gather information about what types of hands people play, how they play them, what size bets will get someone to fold, etc.