Need help w/ Razz & Badugi

I'm completely new to both Razz & Badugi, and I need clarification as to what constitutes a winning hand. I know suit doesn't matter in Razz so which is the winning hand?...A,2,4,5,8 or A,3,4,5,7...Is it the first because A,2 is lower than A,3?...or the second because A-7 is a smaller range than A-8? Help Please...{ I assume the answer to this will also apply to Badugi}

$nidely

the second hand is the winner in your example

The easiest way is to compare the hands starting with the highest card first.

SO:

A2357

is better than A2457

7=7
5=5
3>4 so the hand with the 3 wins

in Razz, it might be easier to read those hands as 7532A vs 8542A, and the lowest hand is more easily detectable. Add in Effexors description, and it will help.

Badugi isn't played at enough sites for there to be many experts here, I seem to remember that you don't want a straight, and you don't want a flush. I could be totally wrong about that though, it has been many months since I played badugi.

While both are lowball games, Razz and Badugi hand rankings are completely unrelated.

Razz works on the same ranking system as ace-to-five draw, whereby the lowest five-card hand wins, and straights and flushes are ignored. So the nut hand in Razz is 5432A, and rankings go from the highest card down, so 76543

Badugi works on a completely different system of its own and is, all things considered, an evil bastard of a game.

For starters, you've only got a maximum of four cards in your hand. Pairs and cards of the same suit count against you, but 'straights' don't.

So the nut hand in Badugi is A234, all different suits.

After that, it gets confusing. If you end up with a pair in your hand (4478, for example), you have to discard one of the paired cards and you only get to play a three-card hand (478, in that example).

If you end up with two cards of the same suit in your hand (Ah3d7s9h), you have to discard one of the suited cards (in that example, you'd discard the 9h because it's highest, and play Ah3d7s).

If your hand is double-suited (Ah3d7h9d) or you have two pairs (AA77) you have to discard two cards.

A made four-card hand, beats any three-card hand, and a made three-card hand beats any two-card hand. When two players have the same number of cards in their hand, then they compare them on rank (so KQJT unsuited would beat A23, but lose to KQJ9 unsuited).

Since this is probably clear as mud, here's a slightly better explanation, with pictures: Badugi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Razz Q has been answered, Badugi is a low ball game where the 4 lowest unsuited cards win, eg, 2c 6s 10h Qc beats Ac 2s 3c 4c, the 2nd hand is only a 3 hand badugi because of the 2nd club card, 4 unsuited cards of any denomination is a huge hand, as long as they are not paired, a paired hand unsuited is only a 3 card hand.

Thank you all for your quick responses. I thought this was probably the answer, but wasn't sure. I'm pretty sure that with Badugi {once you factor in that pairs and same suits don't count} the hand ranking would be the same. I read a good page that explains Badugi fairly clearly when I played my first freeroll and if I can find it again, I'll post it. Poker.com has a Badugi freeroll everyday and I've read that Doyle's Room is also good for Badugi.

Thanks again

$nidely

The easiest way to read low hands is to read them like a number from the biggest number down.
7543A = 75431
95432 = 95432

7543A beats 95432