need fast answer

This is a rule question...


there are three people left in the hand, myself and two others. one of the two went all in, i called him, the other guy went all in also but had more so basically raised. i called the raise. they show there cards but i am not sure if i had to show my cards or not because i did not go all in. the river was not flipped yet and i wanted to be able to muck if i did not have a hand.


Was i right or wrong?

i refused fighting for the way i thought was right and one of the two players got pissed and walked away.

IF i am wrong i want to know why and what the proper rules are.

if i am Right i need documented rules to prove i am right so we can play correctly.


i know most of the rules but these little technicalities i am still learning...


Thank you very much for your help.

Ethan

hold em was game

You have to show.

If you don't muck before showdown (IE you check or call the river), they have a right to see your cards. Etiquette says that it's impolite to ask you to show your cards if you decide to muck, but they *do* have a right to see them if they demand it. Basically this is to prevent collusion. If you demand to see their cards, it's like accusing someone of collusion.

HOWEVER in this case two people were all in, so they the both have the right to see your cards and it's actually improper of you to not show right away. In any online game you play, those cards are shown face up on the table (no option to muck).

This is one of those fun little situations where the rules are inconsistent and either or both of you may be right. Generally this issue is decided based on whether it's a tournament or a cash game.

- In a tournament (assuming it follows Robert's Rules or the Poker TDA rules), SavagePenguin is correct - all the hands need to be shown.

- In a cash game... meh. House rules apply, most places will not make you show your hand though. Sam Farha provides numerous examples of this on High Stakes Poker - even after he's all in against someone, he often refuses to show his hand and nobody can make him do otherwise.

No. You don't have to show.

If they request it you have to show.

ONLY if it goes right to the end.

Unless it's a tournament governed by the Poker TDA rules, in which case you do have to show.

Like I said, there's no one answer to this. It depends entirely on the type of game you're playing.

this was fun game no buy in or real cash to lose, i still had a lot of chips and was not all in, but because the other two people decided to go all in i must show my card?

i did call the all ins. but still had big stack of chips.

i did not want them to see how i played the hand i had was why i did not want to show.

i am sorry if i just restated my first questions but i did add more info.

thanks to all that replied so far. hope i get more replies though...

-Ethan

Well, we will just restate our answers. Your chip count (remaining chio count) has absolutely nothing to do with showing or not showing. Absolutely nothing.
If this was a tournament, live or online, as SavagePenguin wrote, you would HAVE TO show, otherwise you are automatically folded (online your cards would ahve been shown automatically, its a software thing).
In your own fun game you may have your own set of rules, but generally all hands are shown if there is all - in player(s) and no more betting is possible (everybody is all - in, maybe except one).
I would say you were wrong, but again - fun game, fun rules.