| Page 10 - This is a discussion on *** May Micro Grinder Thread 2NL - 25NL *** within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; Originally Posted by Lemlywinks Just saw this btw, and I kinda want to hear responses, so bump. Imo, if you show pokerstars you will get ... |
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I think the pokerstars will intimidate the fish - I was intimidated when I first started playing online - which I don't necessarily think is a good thing. I want them to be comfortable and have fun w me, not to be intimidated. To me, this is a little like tapping the tank. And the regs know I'm putting in a fair number of hands, so no need to let them know what my status is (btw, I made platinum this month ). |
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From my experience and maybe just misguided perspective, I prefer to keep status turned off to other players. I like the lack of respect from players who arn't regs, it just suites my game better. I'm sure there are arguments for either side simply because playstyles can be so dependant on the success of this. But yeah...just my thoughts |
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I just got a DC membership a few weeks back so I've been watching so many videos that everything that I've seen is a vague blur. I remember now thinking that's one I want to go back to. |
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I'm blown away by some of the people that show it though. Saw a platinum star at my $25 table once, and another time one at my $50 who was playing with half a stack. |
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| New topic: playing monsters BvB. So the other day Slyce and I were at a 50nl 6max table, I cant find the HH right now cuz im on a diff computer, but basically it went like this I get dealt KK in BB, folds around to SB (slyce) he raises to 2 I 3bet to 6, he 4bets to somewhere around 18. I opted to shove, thinking that it was BvB and i knew villain so figured he would expect me to play back and stack lighter. In hindsight after some discussion with Slyce, should I have flatted and gotten more EV postflop. What about other situations BvB when your playing a laggy player? Do you usually shove or play postflop and let them make greater mistakes than folding their weaker holding preflop? BTN vs Blind? how does it change your game when your IP and OOP, more willing to flat kk IP? |
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| Ok Delta, BTN vs BB, here's a hand I totally butchered imo. Villain is a fancy spewtard. 44/26/3 with a 15% 3bet. SB: $49.50 (99 bb) BB: $83.10 (166.2 bb) MP1: $103.20 (206.4 bb) MP2: $65.10 (130.2 bb) MP3: $95.75 (191.5 bb) CO: $52.05 (104.1 bb) Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb) Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K♥ K♦ 4 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB raises to $6.50, Hero calls $4.50 Flop: ($13.25) 3♠ Q♥ 8♥ (2 players) BB bets $11, Hero raises to $26.50, BB folds Results:[spoil] $35.25 pot ($1.70 rake) Hero mucked K♥ K♦ (a pair of Kings) and won $33.55 ($16.05 net) [/spoil] First, 4betting is still a lot better in this spot than just flatting his 3bet. I figured that I could get more out of him postflop. Which is true to some extent. But we want to play for stacks against this fish. And 4betting gets us there faster more of the time than taking the 3bet pot post flop and trying to let him make a mistake here. It's basically a lot easier for him to call or shove over our 4bet incorrectly than it is for him to lose his stack post flop. Second, on the flop, a call is probably a lot better. A lot of the times I get paranoid/scared with my monsters and play them hard. This flop is actually pretty safe for us. If he has a Q, that will just make him lose his stack faster. It's unlikely he has two hearts but if he does it's probably still better to just call his (what appears to be a strong) donk bet. And well, if he flopped a set or some other monster or sucks out, that's just variance imo. And thirdly my raise size just sucks so much. I much prefer just shoving here than doing this weird 2.5x raise, or better yet make it $30. It looks really strong I guess and a lot of the time he'll just have air so I think calling is more +ev than raising here. What do you think ? |
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| I agree here you have to 4bet. You've got position, he's alot more likely to rejam if he gets fancy, and he's probably 3betting like 22-55 as bluffs and 99+for value so theres alot of set opportunities where hes closer to getting odds, especially being the agressor. Plus him flatting a 4bet oop is just terrible so you can safely jam any flop profitably I think. As played preflop however, I completely agree, you need to flat this flop. I think even shoving or a $30 bet looks too strong and hes really only stacking like AQ, KQ, Sets, and maybe 99,1010, JJ if he thinks you can play back at him. But that depends on your image too. I know your stacking him if he has a Q in his range but i dont think thats enough of his range for it to be the most +EV situation. I much prefer flatting flop and getting it in on non A, Q turns. Also, whats his cbet % in 3bet pots? or do you have enough hands for that to be relatively close? |
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| Here's the hh for the hand delta and I played... I'd suggested to delta after the hand that he should have called my 4bet because he had position, and I'm almost certain to cbet almost any flop. I had been spewing before this hand on this table and thought he was 3betting me because of that. After his reply, I think he was right to shove. We know each other, I know that he could be light, and some flops will kill action for him (or cause him to fold, even worse). I also think I was wrong to fold, but I don't have stove right now to figure it out. I think enough big A's will shove here that I should have called. But at the time I didn't think 99 would shove, hence the fold, hence my desire to stove it. -------------------- HAND #1 -------------------- Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb) BB: $50 (100 bb) UTG: $126.25 (252.5 bb) MP: $51.50 (103 bb) CO: $50 (100 bb) BTN: $4 (8 bb) Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with T 4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, BB raises to $50 and is all-in, Hero folds Results: $36 pot BB mucked and won $36 ($18 net) |
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The reasoning behind what they do is one thing, but it often requires too much of the opponent which is beyond my typical opponent, I think. |
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| Hey guys, first time really posting in this thread (really trying to get serious about poker). Quick Synopsis: Right now im on AP, dropped a 25$ investment and am currently at 32$. My Sober cash game is definitely +EV, ended my most recent 30 minute session up 3bi's (yea I got hot cards). One thing I've definitely noticed, and you really need a solid read for this, at the 2nl level is how obvious players can sometimes be with total bluffs. Obviously you only want to pay to see these bluffs with monsters. I.E: I had Pocket Q's and board came up K-J-8 Rainbow and this donkey starts betting like crazy. Eventually puts me all in to show A-3 offsuited. Not gonna lie, I did get a little wet calling his bluff with Middle pair. |
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I'm so bad at postflop play, though, that I'm taking some risks so I can learn - my winrate is flat the last several days since starting to try some of these things, but it's not killing me... Unfortunately, I don't think I can drop down to 25NL to try some of these things, because I think the number of players this will work on at 25NL is miniscule. I've been trying some (definitely not all) of these things on regs at 50NL who are pretty aggressive preflop (7+ 3bet %) and passive fish. |
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| Yo Mo Fo's, Just a little update, I had my first coaching session yesterday with zach, it went well and have picked up alot of things from his session. I shall make a blog post later about the session but I think some of the things he said will definately boost my winrate and shape my image the way I want it to be. Havent played since as I was too tired yesterday but will have a long session this evening just 6 tabling or 8 tabling to try and work these new concepts into my game. EDIT: there seems to be a fair few of us at 50nl now guys, hopefully we can all play well at the level and get some discussion going about hands etc! |
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2. I had been observing him for at least an hour and he never overbet the pot even with nuts, and all of a sudden he's firing off huge bets. 3. The speed at which he was betting was extremely unusual. It was obvious he wasn't wanting me to play back at all. This is a hand I would have easily tossed away to any player that was either new to the player or I gave at least an ounce of respect. I placed him on a complete bluff and I was right. And my only response to you assuming that I got to attached to the QQ's is that I 6-table so I'm seeing good hands on the reg and its honestly not hard for me to fold at all when necessary. |
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| Hey was wondering if anybody know if there is a free version of the AHK script i know of table ninja but i honestly dont want to pay for it so is there a free version of something similar. So if u know anything please let me kno thanks. |
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Here: http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/AutoHotKey |
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<--Played for SUNY Cortland the last 2 years, haha best i've ever shot however is +3 for 18 . Grats on the sick round Oh ya and that poker stuff grats on moving up to 5NL |
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However, I'll take the E gladly |
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Absolutely Brag: 14.5BB/100 to start my first 3.5k hands at 25NL. Always nice to move up a limit on a heater |
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| hey all i'm currently at 2nl. having trouble posting graphs now dont know why. but i did have a question there was some one at my table telling me how much i was up does anyone know the website he was using? also whats a good vpip%/pfr% at this level FR? i'm at around 8BB/100 but that does include one horrific tilting session since then i'm at 18BB/100. ill figure this posting thing out and let you all see the charts. |
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| OPR or online poker rankings. But they track exclusively MTTs for Stars and only MTTs and SNGs for Tilt. Unless you play 50nl or have played a good bit of it before, he wouldn't be able to tell your ring game stats I don't think even with tablerankings... is this correct? |
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We were on the same table for a bit yesterday, i didnt really notice until i won a pot from you lol i pushed you off with an underpair to the board fwiw, you raised, i done a bit of setmining out of position, board came paired and all low so i donked into you and you folded It felt good and now you cant get your revenge until i move up mwahahaha You've got some tight stats though man, tight as in good not nit like, i think i'm going for the more tight passive style at 2nl, i like limping on the button with a lot of sc's, 1 gappers, purely b/c cbets get called loads at 2nl so its not worth raising but the implied odds are just huge with hands like that so i cant fold them either lol. |
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I'm pretty sure they sell their data to poker-edge among others. Could be even PTR gets their data from them... Seems like it's marketwatch or marketpulse or something. Ill see if I can remember it... its one of those you send .03 to to opt in. |
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A good vpip and pfr for up to 25nl would be to just play solid TAG ABC poker which is very successful at the micros and you dont need to do anything tricky or make any fancy plays. I would say 14/10/2 would be fine for the micro's IMO |
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Tilt has kind of the opposite approach. They say they want to restrict the ability to datamine but they're not really doing anything about it practically. And they do go after players who use PTR while playing (offline is fine). |
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