Losing streaks

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  #1
14th August 2008, 7:09 AM
koadyawn
 
Poker at: Stars
Game: holdem
Losing streaks

Seems like I am on my losing streak this past week..I havent won much than I used to and seem to lost over and over...I be a 7/3 fav. and lose more than 60% of the time many times over..and when Im 4/1 fav. I've been losing a about half many times over..Im usually playing SNGs so thats where many of my bad runs has beeen..I do know why thats why we have bankrolls but just wanted to get someone elses insight on this..
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  #2
14th August 2008, 7:43 AM
cAPSLOCK
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO8, NLHE
Sometimes the cards go cold.
Sometimes our play goes south a little.
Sometimes a run of cold cards gets extended by the bad play they set off. Repeat.

Stupid poker.

Usual advice: (you already know it)
1. Back off for a while.
2. Get that A game back as soon as possible and ride out the dryspell.

cAPS

cAPS
  #3
14th August 2008, 11:36 AM
RickH2005
 
Poker at: PS/Ultimatebet
Game: Holdem/7-Stu
Losin' streaks!

I know the feelin' really well!! I, too, was on a bad roll at SnGs too!! Was doin' OK at Ring Games and regular tournys (cept CC tournys! ), but today my luck (and style of play) changed and I just finished up winnin' one at Ultimatebet! $10 buy in--won $50--so just hang in there and thing's will turn around! GL!
  #4
14th August 2008, 8:46 PM
Double-A
 
Online Poker at: bodog
Game: NOT PLHE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by koadyawn
Seems like I am on my losing streak this past week..I havent won much than I used to and seem to lost over and over...I be a 7/3 fav. and lose more than 60% of the time many times over..and when Im 4/1 fav. I've been losing a about half many times over..Im usually playing SNGs so thats where many of my bad runs has beeen..I do know why thats why we have bankrolls but just wanted to get someone elses insight on this..
Swings are part of the game, deal with it.

If you're having any emotional reactions to swings, beats, etc... then take a day off.
  #5
14th August 2008, 10:14 PM
Danzafan
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
Just relax and don't overreact and take a big hit in your bankroll. I've done that a few times and went from having decent money to going broke . Just play your game and the luck will even out when you go on a winning streak next week.
  #6
15th August 2008, 1:45 AM
mightyah
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Holdem
i understand the whole taking a day off thing but how can you when you know you have your A game and your losing with huge hands all the time. ive never had a good winning streak(not online anyways) seams like my usernames are just set to eat.
  #7
15th August 2008, 2:51 AM
cAPSLOCK
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO8, NLHE
re: Losing streaks poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by bcmp4e
that kinda crap happens all the time a pokerstars.. i quit playing there and moved to full tilt..

i was losing when i was a 95% fav to win
Also Pokerstars is owned by Martians.

Most people don't know that!

love,
cAPS
  #8
15th August 2008, 2:59 AM
Strong Dollar1
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: NLHE
Thanks for writing this post, I've been on the worst 48 hour run that I've ever had. I was starting to second guess my play until I read this posting. Thanks for the post, and for everyone that responded. I wish I would have read this yesterday....hope is out there, just have patiences.
  #9
16th August 2008, 1:45 PM
blackknite123
 
Poker at: FullTilt
Game: holdem
this is common. you cant win all the time and people having losing streaks that can last for weeks sometimes months...my suggestion is to take a break. you might come back and lose some more but taking a break helps with bankroll management and emotions. losing a lot over time can get to some players and basically put them on a tilt that makes them wanna just get back up to where they were, forgetting limits and stakes...
  #10
19th August 2008, 7:09 PM
grilldoggy
 
Online Poker at: FullTilt
Game: Holdem
Holdem is brutal...

One thing you learn playing poker is the odds will always catch back up with you. There's no way to win all the time, or lose all the time. Losing streaks can seem long, just keep playing your way. It'll come back around.
  #11
19th August 2008, 7:21 PM
greenruss
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I know the feeling.
I am going through it right now. (See my posts about bad beats).

Seems impossible go out of so many SNGs in a row with bad beats.

Just went out of 2 90-player SNG today with 13-1 shots late in the tournaments.

Yesterday lost 4-in-a-row to bad beats.

Surely it must turn, or else playing solid poker is not the way to go!!!
PS: I havent been playing long enough in real money SNGs to know if this is normal or not.
  #12
19th August 2008, 7:44 PM
PokerVic
 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Game: Holdem
One of the most important tools to combat downswings is brutal honesty. So often a few bad beats can turn a player's A-game into their B-game without them noticing. Turn a critical eye to your sessions. Take a look at the odds when the money went in. Just because your hand was a preflop favorite, that doesn't necessarily mean you played it correctly. If, after going over your sessions you feel that you played the hands well, and just got unlucky, then you can return to the tables confident that you are doing all you can.

Luck of the cards with eventually turn around, but until you realize you are playing below your abilities, your A-game may never return on its own.
  #13
19th August 2008, 7:50 PM
kazor
 
Game: Omaha/Holdem
Dont let the badbeats (which are bound to happen) set you on tilt. Take a break, take a walk, etc. . Come back when ready, when I take multiple ones in a row I normally drop limits until I feel back in command. Many people try to move up and recoup losses. Not a good idea.
  #14
20th August 2008, 12:41 AM
Razor_King
 
Online Poker at: Ultimatebet
Game: Holdem
re: Losing streaks poker

Losing streaks happen to everyone. Just keep your cool, have a day or two off then start again.

Having emotional reactions to a game beat can result in frustration meaning more loss of money. This will then lead to panick because of the loss resulting in you playing games you can't afford to lose meaning your account is emptied in a flash.

RK

Last edited by Razor_King : 20th August 2008 at 12:42 AM. Reason: Doesn't make sense in parts!
  #15
22nd August 2008, 3:40 AM
keekon
 
Poker at: ultimatebet
Game: holdem
Sucks doesn't it to be on a loosing streak. I find myself going a week or so of loosing then when it turns around I find that I place in the money several times during my winning streak. Keep playing the luck will change.
  #16
22nd August 2008, 12:57 PM
teksmith
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
Everyone goes through the same thing. Just tighten up your game and ride it out. Take a break and think about the mistakes, if any, you made. Lots of times I have called a big bet knowing in my heart I was beat already and sure enough I was. That's a big leak for me. Everything averages out in the long run, so I play more often when I'm on a streak of good luck and less when it turns bad.

Bad beats happen all the time. Look over your hand histories and make sure you really had the odds and that you didn't miss something in evaluating your hand. If you played it correctly just continue on but if not try to make sure it doesn't happen again.
  #17
22nd August 2008, 1:03 PM
Jagsti
 
Poker at: Stars
Game: NL Holdem
Reality check:

You can't always win at poker.

If you play poker for long enough, then you will witness some really streaky runs, up and down. There some exceptional players that can avoid prolonged losing/breakeven runs (either through good fortune or mainly through very good play. There are 2 or 3 players on CC that can qualify for that). But for most of us we have to accept that poker will have very frustrating swingy runs.

Let me put this into perspective, I class myself as a marginal winning poker player. In the last 12 months or so, I have had a +20 buy in d/swongs in cash games, several +10 BI d/swings. I've also had 100k hand break even stretches. In SnG's I've had many +10 BI swings and a 250 game break even stretch.

Some online pro's regularly have 100k hand break even stretches or even 1000 games at break even in SnG's.

The point of this post is, you need to practice very good bankroll management to be able to cope with these horrid runs, because for most of us, we have to endure them on a regular basis. You just have to learn to cope with them I'm afraid. The sooner you accept them as part and parcel of the game, then the sooner you can learn how to adapt and progress as a winning player.
  #18
23rd August 2008, 9:29 AM
hastetheday
 
Online Poker at: Bodog
Game: Holdem
I find it's best to just give it a break for a bit, I tend to get frustrated and don't play my best game, then when I come back I'm a little more refreshed and ready to give it my all again.
  #19
25th August 2008, 4:14 PM
pifan
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
im on a bad streak right now also so im limitting myself to freerolls and i tbl s&gos i even played pl omaha for a change seems to help (freerolls i just play for the fun of it get knocked out by stupidity mostly lol)so ride it out there are other ways to relieve stress on a downward streach than risk your bankroll good luck
  #20
26th August 2008, 10:44 PM
Lockyman
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Holdem
RailBird.

I'm sorta on a bad streak. Recently played a 150+25 live tourney two saturdays ago, and a 300+40 the following sunday. Perfect situation in the 150, I check-raise the flop of 10-7-3 Rainbow from the big blind, guy pushes allin with Jacks. I call with my Set of 3's. Insta turn jack on me. Placed 15th out of 160 in a top 10 payout.

Very next day in the 300+, I get allin on the flop, Q's vs my 10 J. 10-J-6 Board. Dude turns the perfect drawing card. King. rivers another King. Counterfeito. Out 12th of 60. Top 10 payout.

Just a couple of depressing rail finishes. I want a big pot already! grrrr
  #21
26th August 2008, 10:49 PM
kevbowen
 
Poker at: fulltilt
Game: holdem
re: Losing streaks poker

The level of play on lower limits tends to reveal some mistakes that I, myself am making, and if your streak continues, you won't be losing as much.
  #22
27th August 2008, 6:04 AM
aliengenius
 
Online Poker at: CC LB games
Game: ON !
There is no such thing as a losing streak.
  #23
27th August 2008, 6:16 AM
asianpride54
 
Poker at: FT, Ultimatebet, PS
Game: Hold em
I have had a big losing infact I lost all my money on Pokerstars. I lost it most likely because I bluffed a lot and got caught and I had some bad beats not getting flushes etc, getting beat by higher kickers. I lost all of my bankroll which i had left aroun 41 dollars. I didn't really care because I didn't deposit one cent of that 41 dollars I made all of that money. Yesterday I didn't even care if I lost all of it for some reason it wasn't like I was going to cash out. I played every hand and lost a lot of money just limping in. I don't know I guess I'm getting kinda bored of poker.
  #24
27th August 2008, 8:46 AM
cAPSLOCK
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO8, NLHE
Quote:
Originally Posted by asianpride54
I have had a big losing infact I lost all my money on Pokerstars. I lost it most likely because I bluffed a lot and got caught and I had some bad beats not getting flushes etc, getting beat by higher kickers. I lost all of my bankroll which i had left aroun 41 dollars. I didn't really care because I didn't deposit one cent of that 41 dollars I made all of that money. Yesterday I didn't even care if I lost all of it for some reason it wasn't like I was going to cash out. I played every hand and lost a lot of money just limping in. I don't know I guess I'm getting kinda bored of poker.
Man.. there are so many things wrong with this is it amazing. Do you see them? I just want to help, not hurt... so take these words in that tone.

Quote:
I had some bad beats not getting flushes etc
You need to re-examine the definition of bad beat, and you need to do some thinking about when it is ok to chase flushes.

Quote:
getting beat by higher kickers.
This happens most often to me when I play hands like A6 and the flop comes AAX. Sound familiar? That is why you want BOTH cards to be good, or work together for you before you even enter the hand. Brush up on starting hand strategy.

Quote:
I lost all of my bankroll ... 41$
Hey $41 bankroll with no deposit is really really cool! Good job. But where were you playing? $41 is good for 01/02 cash on pokerstars or for 1 or 2 dollar SnG and tourneys. But I have a feeling you might have lost it a little more quickly, at a bit higher stakes, yes? Bankroll Management is a foundational pillar for winning poker.

Quote:
I played every hand and lost a lot of money just limping in.
Loose passive play is a very common form of TILT. Expect to lose when you play this way... and more quickly than you might imagine just "limping in". There's always that top pair showing up, and then the guy drawing out, right? Tilt control is another foundational pillar.

Quote:
...Yesterday I didn't even care... ...I guess I'm getting kinda bored of poker.... ...didn't really care...
When I say all this stuff along with things like "It's just a game" "It's not really big money" etc... I am fooling myself into thinking I am not really a loser. Now "loser" is a terribly stigmatic word but for me it has often been true. Until I came to grips with that, I wasn't able to improve.

I wish you the best. Take a break, and if you come back... come back stronger!

cAPS
  #25
30th August 2008, 5:13 AM
TurningStar
 
Yep take a break if you need too...I took a break because I was to busy to play...and then I came here to read some posts to get back in the flow and was so much more patient...now I am on a winning streak...guess thats how it goes...

GL...
  #26
2nd September 2008, 1:49 AM
Paulozg
 
Online Poker at: Fulltilt, bw
Game: Holdem
Don't we hate when losing streaks come :\ I've seen guys with 5% go into the river and catch the card. Try taking a brake, if you still keep losing with the best hand, oh well, jjust make sure you don't tilt cause that makes it worst
  #27
2nd September 2008, 4:06 AM
godoy
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I hope you get trhough this hard time, I can't complain about mine lol
I'm in second in a tournament at full tilt, it's a low prize pool but I believe I can get it
=)
gl man
  #28
2nd September 2008, 8:39 PM
artsmith1296
 
Online Poker at: FullTilt
Game: Holdem
re: Losing streaks poker

I hate it when it happens too but luck swings both ways. Drop down a level in stakes if its eating up too much of your bankroll. Take some time off. Tighten up your game. I wonder when somebody says they are playing their "A" game already. It seems to carry the feeling that they already know everything and have no room for improvement and we all should know that we each have our own leaks.

Post some hand histories to get some opinions of whether you are getting a run of bad beats or not.
  #29
3rd September 2008, 9:34 AM
cexandmoney
 
Poker at: absolute pok
Game: stud hi lo
dont feel alone on that one. been there all year. till i realized i was playing on weekends and during the evening. basicly playing aginst recreational players that are just having fun. then i started playing during the day and my cashes improved. recreational players are at work. real players are working theyer skills and bankroles during the day. you cant bluff a player that dont care if they win or not.
  #30
3rd September 2008, 11:20 AM
Gabaik
 
Online Poker at: Bodog
Game: NL HOLDEM
Every 2 motnhs it will be happend me to, but after i always stand up, and dont play a few days,after i win again.... so that happend every poeple, who play a poker so relax someday... and after play again. Good luck for everybody who lost a bid money
  #31
3rd September 2008, 10:33 PM
lewis010
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem/razz
yeah everybody have bad streaks....its very difficult to afford it but this is poker.. one day you win the wsop ( maybe never this is an example) and another you lose in the first hand.... this is poker...
  #32
19th November 2008, 12:53 AM
Committed
 
Online Poker at: fulltilt
Game: omaha
i understand the whole taking a day off thing but how can you when you know you have your A game and your losing with huge hands all the time. ive never had a good winning streak(not online anyways) seams like my usernames are just set to eat.
  #33
19th November 2008, 12:55 AM
WPG_NATIVE
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: hold em
it's always good to take a day off and have a good sleep b4 u play again play smart and when u play and have the nuts all the time then u know you'll bounce back from a losing streak
  #34
19th November 2008, 12:56 AM
juz2swt
 
Online Poker at: DonkeyStars
Game: omaha hi
You will have swings when you play I am currently on one right now with a losing streak in the sngs. So I took a break from them and play live tables and switch the game up..
  #35
19th November 2008, 1:31 AM
leavem
 
Poker at: FullTilt
Game: NL Holdem
re: Losing streaks poker

When you hit an unlucky streak the best thing you can do is take some time off. The worse thing you can do is chase your losses. If you aren't willing to take a break, try a different game. If you usually play NLHE, switch to Omaha or Stud. The streak will break, we all go through the good and the bad.
 



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