Originally Posted by GunslingerZ

Does this mean you're up 4 buy-ins at 25NL? Which for a 20BB/100 winrate equals 1000 hands? And you're hoping to have a 40 buy-in month soon?

Either your goals are a little lofty, or something does not compute.

20bb/100, not 20BB/100. So not winning quite as good as you mentioned. Also I was completely joking with the $1k a month thing, at least while I'm playing 25nl. I was just being dumb.

Oh and I lost two buy-ins last session. Yay!

Originally Posted by Falian

On the first hand I was placing the player on A-x, since he called my preflop raise and based on the line he took. I felt that a raise on the turn could have knocked him off the hand. He had been continually betting into me so I felt that calling the turn and putting in a small raise on the river was the best way to extract maximum value. If he had A-6+ this play would have resulted in me stacking him.

i definately think an AX is a good part of a range of hands given the action. IMO its better to put someone on a full range of hands rather that on hand. if you are correct with the read a raise on the river would just get more in the pot making their river bet even more. i'm not saying to raise enough to blow him off the hand but maybe enough to took like your buying it. and maybe he shoves or at the very least feels compelled to call give such odds. that way his river bet should be even bigger given the current size of the pot. either way i think its unlikey you were stacking him with an A6 type hand even AK is IMO is reaching. but i know it happens often enough in the micro's but not often enough to expect it.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

i definately think an AX is a good part of a range of hands given the action. IMO its better to put someone on a full range of hands rather that on hand. if you are correct with the read a raise on the river would just get more in the pot making their river bet even more. i'm not saying to raise enough to blow him off the hand but maybe enough to took like your buying it. and maybe he shoves or at the very least feels compelled to call give such odds. that way his river bet should be even bigger given the current size of the pot. either way i think its unlikey you were stacking him with an A6 type hand even AK is IMO is reaching. but i know it happens often enough in the micro's but not often enough to expect it.

I wasnt expecting to stack him until the Ace came out. I think a raise on the turn has the potential to scare him enough to either A. fold or B. call and check fold the river.

If your saying that you don't think i'm stacking him once I see the river then your crazy. I could stack a pro holding AK with that river.. with the pre-flop raise he has to pretty much put me on pocket 4's, which would be very hard to do considering the line I took.

1st hand fired preflop and cbet when he shoves i figure i'm committed
2nd hand do i just call as suggested? is a shove too much? i was hoping my image may get a call by small pp or an AK-T type hand. too wishfull? i put chat in it was just too funny not to. he is a winner as claimed looked him up.
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP1: $2.81 (140.5 bb)
MP2: $1.10 (55 bb)
MP3: $2.21 (110.5 bb)
CO: $0.34 (17 bb)
BTN: $2.32 (116 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.27 (113.5 bb)
BB: $0.40 (20 bb)
UTG+2: $2.71 (135.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 7♣ 6♠
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.12) 7♦ K♣ A♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, BB raises to $0.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.22
Turn: ($0.80) J♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($0.80) 6♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results:[spoil] $0.80 pot ($0.05 rake)
BB showed T♥ A♥ (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$0.40 net)
Hero showed 7♣ 6♠ (a flush, Ace high) and won $0.75 ($0.35 net)
[/spoil]
villain: you donk
villain: I hate you
cardplayer52: i got caught stealing
villain: your an idiot
cardplayer52: then i was comittied
villain: your a fagg to
cardplayer52: sry
villain: that is why I only buy in for forty cause of homos like you
cardplayer52: if you had more i folded
villain: you will always be gay card player
cardplayer52: is that bad?
villain: yeah fa g
villain: you suck
villain: you ruin the game
cardplayer52: i win though
villian: so do I
villain: by th way you played that hand looks like you lose more thean you win
cardplayer52: 73% of the time im not cuaght **totally made up to seem smart.
victorgr54: justdpn't move idiot so I can take my chips back from you
...5 or 6 hands later
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP3: $3.77 (188.5 bb)
CO: $2.46 (123 bb)
BTN: $1.55 (77.5 bb)
SB: $2.19 (109.5 bb)
BB: $0.34 (17 bb)
UTG+1: $2.22 (111 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $2.60 (130 bb)
MP1: $0.39 (19.5 bb)
MP2: $1 (50 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q♦ Q♠
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.06 , villain: just make sure you call when I go all in, MP1 raises to $0.39 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls $0.39, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60 and is all-in, CO folds
Flop: ($1.20) 2♣ 2♦ K♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($1.20) J♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1.20) T♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results:[spoil] $1.20 pot ($0.08 rake)
Hero showed Q♦ Q♠ (two pairs, Queens and Twos) and won $1.12 ($0.73 net)
MP1 showed 8♣ 8♥ (two pairs, Eights and Twos) and lost (-$0.39 net)
[/spoil]
villian: 8 another lukcky as s catch
cardplayer52: ty for the tip of calling
villian: lucky dealer gave me those b tich
cardplayer52: sort of funny
villian: call you fa ggot
cardplayer52: you might of set mined
villian: I love how people try to justify there stupid moves
cardplayer52: like shoving 88 to a ep raiser?
villian: like how a stupid f aggot your aer
cardplayer52: dont forget to add w/your money!!
villian: been playing you for two days I know how much you suck i have taken a lot of your money guy remember>?
villian: you are catching up
villian: but I still have more of your money donk
villian: hey you are so good why don't you go all in with me with bottom pair again?
cardplayer52: im up $1.25 on you
villian: you think your up but your down retard we have been playing each other for the past two days idiot
cardplayer52: i got HEM
villian: bnope
villian: I got you
cardplayer52: 118 hands together
villian: got your money
cardplayer52: 8 wins 4 losses
villian: your just cathing up
villian: and your stats are wrong
villian: idiot
cardplayer52: up $1.25
cardplayer52: what then?
villian: down
villian: enough of your money bi tch
cardplayer52: do you remember i hit a set on the river the other day?
villian: now you are making sh hit up?
villian: your just another donk on the penny tables bye
cardplayer52: i won a ton here too
cardplayer52: lost a lot back though
villian: n raise
villian: idiot

Originally Posted by Falian

I wasnt expecting to stack him until the Ace came out. I think a raise on the turn has the potential to scare him enough to either A. fold or B. call and check fold the river.

If your saying that you don't think i'm stacking him once I see the river then your crazy. I could stack a pro holding AK with that river.. with the pre-flop raise he has to pretty much put me on pocket 4's, which would be very hard to do considering the line I took.

i was talking about how a would think on the turn. obv if an ace or his kicker hits you stack him. my point was just making the pot bigger on a previos street the next streets bet is usually propotionately larger.

Dabbed in some 5nl for fun.
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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $2.69 (53.8 bb)
MP: $2.17 (43.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $6.08 (121.6 bb)
BTN: $3.61 (72.2 bb)
SB: $4.18 (83.6 bb)
BB: $4.50 (90 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) 9 6 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $5.93 and is all-in, SB calls $3.78 and is all-in

Turn: ($8.41) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($8.41) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:
Spoiler:
$8.41 pot ($0.40 rake)
SB showed 9 T (a pair of Nines) and lost (-$4.18 net)
Hero showed 9 9 (three of a kind, Nines) and won $8.01 ($3.83 net)

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

1st hand fired preflop and cbet when he shoves i figure i'm committed
2nd hand do i just call as suggested? is a shove too much? i was hoping my image may get a call by small pp or an AK-T type hand. too wishfull?

1st hand - I avoid stealing light from short stacks, because of this situation - you end up pot committed with underdog hands. IMO, this is a steal that shouldn't have been attempted. This is why I never stay long on a table with a short stack on my left.

2nd hand - a standard raise would be to half your stack, and I would want to be heads up, so I like the shove but specifically to get to HU.

Originally Posted by kleitches

Hey guyz if I move up to a new level with only 17.6 buy-ins, is that against the law? Please say no.

I have 19 BI's for 5nl at the min, i was thinking of moving up a bit earlier too, just maybe not on a sunday night lol it'll either be a huge success or a huge failure and i'll end up grinding 2nl for another month, if i get another 10 BI's at 2nl then i'm at the 23 BI level for 5nl and the time i was planning on taking a 3BI shot, i think i'm going to stick to this purely as a test of discipline, bit sadistic really lol

Dont tell random players on a table who clearly don't know anything about poker, about HEM imo

Originally Posted by switch0723

Dont tell random players on a table who clearly don't know anything about poker, about HEM imo

IDK what came over me. i didnt want to piss him off enough to leave. but as far as is knowlege he did play well. he is a winning player as well. why i tried to educate him on the HEM or even to buyin deeper IDK either.

as for the other post in the 1st hand i've read somewhere on of the advantages of playing a short stack is the ablity to steal their blinds. as any attemp is a serious treat to their stack. but i will definately try to aviod this type of spot in the future. and the 2nd hand its QQ which in my mind rates to best hand of the 3. my raise wasnt to isolate at all but to get allin 3 way. i got more of a chance to lose but "hopefully" a greater +EV. if it were AA would you rather be HU allin or in a 5 way pot allin. me i chose the latter.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

IDK what came over me. i didnt want to piss him off enough to leave. but as far as is knowlege he did play well. he is a winning player as well. why i tried to educate him on the HEM or even to buyin deeper IDK either.

as for the other post in the 1st hand i've read somewhere on of the advantages of playing a short stack is the ablity to steal their blinds. as any attemp is a serious treat to their stack. but i will definately try to aviod this type of spot in the future. and the 2nd hand its QQ which in my mind rates to best hand of the 3. my raise wasnt to isolate at all but to get allin 3 way. i got more of a chance to lose but "hopefully" a greater +EV. if it were AA would you rather be HU allin or in a 5 way pot allin. me i chose the latter.

Stealing the shorties blinds makes sense but firing a cbet there is pretty bad because like you said it committed you to a pot when you're likely way behind if called/raised.

Also if you can't keep yourself from teaching at the table just turn off chat.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

1st hand fired preflop and cbet when he shoves i figure i'm committed
2nd hand do i just call as suggested? is a shove too much? i was hoping my image may get a call by small pp or an AK-T type hand. too wishfull? i put chat in it was just too funny not to. he is a winner as claimed looked him up.
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP1: $2.81 (140.5 bb)
MP2: $1.10 (55 bb)
MP3: $2.21 (110.5 bb)
CO: $0.34 (17 bb)
BTN: $2.32 (116 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.27 (113.5 bb)
BB: $0.40 (20 bb)
UTG+2: $2.71 (135.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 7♣ 6♠
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.12) 7♦ K♣ A♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, BB raises to $0.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.22
Turn: ($0.80) J♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($0.80) 6♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results:[spoil] $0.80 pot ($0.05 rake)
BB showed T♥ A♥ (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$0.40 net)
Hero showed 7♣ 6♠ (a flush, Ace high) and won $0.75 ($0.35 net)
[/spoil]
villain: you donk
villain: I hate you
cardplayer52: i got caught stealing
villain: your an idiot
cardplayer52: then i was comittied
villain: your a fagg to
cardplayer52: sry
villain: that is why I only buy in for forty cause of homos like you
cardplayer52: if you had more i folded
villain: you will always be gay card player
cardplayer52: is that bad?
villain: yeah fa g
villain: you suck
villain: you ruin the game
cardplayer52: i win though
villian: so do I
villain: by th way you played that hand looks like you lose more thean you win
cardplayer52: 73% of the time im not cuaght **totally made up to seem smart.
victorgr54: justdpn't move idiot so I can take my chips back from you
...5 or 6 hands later
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP3: $3.77 (188.5 bb)
CO: $2.46 (123 bb)
BTN: $1.55 (77.5 bb)
SB: $2.19 (109.5 bb)
BB: $0.34 (17 bb)
UTG+1: $2.22 (111 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $2.60 (130 bb)
MP1: $0.39 (19.5 bb)
MP2: $1 (50 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q♦ Q♠
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.06 , villain: just make sure you call when I go all in, MP1 raises to $0.39 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls $0.39, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60 and is all-in, CO folds
Flop: ($1.20) 2♣ 2♦ K♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($1.20) J♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1.20) T♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results:[spoil] $1.20 pot ($0.08 rake)
Hero showed Q♦ Q♠ (two pairs, Queens and Twos) and won $1.12 ($0.73 net)
MP1 showed 8♣ 8♥ (two pairs, Eights and Twos) and lost (-$0.39 net)
[/spoil]
villian: 8 another lukcky as s catch
cardplayer52: ty for the tip of calling
villian: lucky dealer gave me those b tich
cardplayer52: sort of funny
villian: call you fa ggot
cardplayer52: you might of set mined
villian: I love how people try to justify there stupid moves
cardplayer52: like shoving 88 to a ep raiser?
villian: like how a stupid f aggot your aer
cardplayer52: dont forget to add w/your money!!
villian: been playing you for two days I know how much you suck i have taken a lot of your money guy remember>?
villian: you are catching up
villian: but I still have more of your money donk
villian: hey you are so good why don't you go all in with me with bottom pair again?
cardplayer52: im up $1.25 on you
villian: you think your up but your down retard we have been playing each other for the past two days idiot
cardplayer52: i got HEM
villian: bnope
villian: I got you
cardplayer52: 118 hands together
villian: got your money
cardplayer52: 8 wins 4 losses
villian: your just cathing up
villian: and your stats are wrong
villian: idiot
cardplayer52: up $1.25
cardplayer52: what then?
villian: down
villian: enough of your money bi tch
cardplayer52: do you remember i hit a set on the river the other day?
villian: now you are making sh hit up?
villian: your just another donk on the penny tables bye
cardplayer52: i won a ton here too
cardplayer52: lost a lot back though
villian: n raise
villian: idiot

Hand 1#: 80/22 is about 4:1 odds. We are placing the shortstack on an ace or a king. So, you have 2 7's 3 6's and 9 spades. So you have 14x2 or about a 28% chance of winning. Pot odds justifies your play. It also helps that you are not risking any more money by playing future streets as he's all in.

Hand 2#: I feel like pockets JJ's and QQ's are extremely tough to play post-flop, so until I become good at it I always prefer getting my money in pre-flop. I like the over-shove.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

i was talking about how a would think on the turn. obv if an ace or his kicker hits you stack him. my point was just making the pot bigger on a previos street the next streets bet is usually propotionately larger.

Yes I definitely agree with that, I was just factoring the negative side of fold potential on the turn. Yet, I agree a small raise here would probably merely confuse him and not make him completely fold.

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Stealing the shorties blinds makes sense but firing a cbet there is pretty bad because like you said it committed you to a pot when you're likely way behind if called/raised.

Also if you can't keep yourself from teaching at the table just turn off chat.

i am very glad i posted this now. i was thinking ya i got a little piece and a cbet may get better hands to fold. eg medium PPs(again probably bad read as he most likely plays back pre) and i forgot one very important question what range of hands calls this bet? stealing out of the SB is something i'm trying to learn. my default play is fold. but i want to change that. but good point about the cbet. also i should be looking at the fact i commit myself w/bottom pair. i forget the fact that i'm also a SS in this spot.

Originally Posted by Falian

Hand 2#: I feel like pockets JJ's and QQ's are extremely tough to play post-flop, so until I become good at it I always prefer getting my money in pre-flop. I like the over-shove.

yes these hands don't play so well post flop. i'm also OOP here. which would really negates any post flop skill if i had any. i've been shoving allin for a while and havnt had to showdown to often. so i was really hoping my image would help to get a call here. also the 40cents or so he put preflop could represent a pretty good hand. IDK if a min raise might of worked here or not. i've been min betting/raisng alot more in the micro's and find it amazingly usefull. my shoves get called but bet 2 cents in a 50 cent pot either the fold or may call you down with that 2 pr or so.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

goals for june

1: iron man metal
2: complete 2 academy challenges(10x each)
3: be winning player at 5NL.

bonus: make it to 10NL.

1. got a silver metal.
2. did 3 academy callenges (5 leaks) + (preflopplay) + (power of position)
3. lost my shirt at 5nl (in part for continueing to play souly for the metal)

bonus: didnt happen back at 2nl. will see how july goes.

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

1. got a silver metal.
2. did 3 academy callenges (5 leaks) + (preflopplay) + (power of position)
3. lost my shirt at 5nl (in part for continueing to play souly for the metal)

bonus: didnt happen back at 2nl. will see how july goes.

Not too sure on how FTP works with those metals and academy stuff, but IMO just concentrate on your actual cash game play. Becoming a winning player is more important than the small marginal benefits of unlocking that other stuff, there are plenty of resources on here to become a winning cash game player, utilize them

Just wanted to drop in and say hi because I will be joining you guys starting next month. I'll most likely start out at $10 6max so hopefully some of you are in that region.

Originally Posted by Caseace48

Not too sure on how FTP works with those metals and academy stuff, but IMO just concentrate on your actual cash game play. Becoming a winning player is more important than the small marginal benefits of unlocking that other stuff, there are plenty of resources on here to become a winning cash game player, utilize them

did i mention i figure it cost me around $70 to get a $50 medal? ty for the advice. i was accually thinking that myself this month i will be looking at the bonus's as just that a "bonus" i have slowed down and have been making sure i enjoy playing. and you know how that works. it ended my losing streak(for now atleast) and i'm definately headed toward 5nl again soon. no pressure though. im also looking to mix up my play w/MTTs and SNGs.

---resouces?? how about someone start a tread solely for charts and graphs. so noobs can get some pointers of what all the stats mean and what not?

Thanks FT for letting my QQ hold up.lol.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $5.85 (58.5 bb)
BTN: $10.36 (103.6 bb)
SB: $9.10 (91 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.96 (109.6 bb)
UTG: $3.60 (36 bb)
MP: $10.96 (109.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.40, CO raises to $5.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.45

Flop: ($11.75) 4 J 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($11.75) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($11.75) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:
Spoiler:
$11.75 pot ($0.78 rake)
CO showed K A (a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$5.85 net)
Hero showed Q Q (two pairs, Queens and Jacks) and won $10.97 ($5.12 net)