JJ should I 3bet this?

#1 19th September 2009, 4:20 AM

Is it advisable to 3bet JJ? Why? When?

#2 19th September 2009, 6:34 AM

I would do it but only heads up, was confident I knew my opponent, and and I had position on him. Otherwize...I am folding.

#3 19th September 2009, 7:34 AM

If you want a definate yes or no answer you need to be more specific. I'm going to assume your talking about NL just because thats what most ppl play. Tourney or cash game? What type of stakes? JJ is a good hand, but a vulnerable one. If your talking like freeroll or micro limit tourneys then YES, you need to get your money in the middle with you premium hands in these types of events. If your in a cash game then unless you have a reason to believe your opponent has QQ, KK, AA then by all means 3 bet but PROCEED WITH CAUTION. You need to be able to muck this hand! The ability to muck JJ preflop is a very good ability to have!!!!! Alot of ppl can't. Jacks are tricky you really need to give more info.

#4 19th September 2009, 7:58 AM

PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO Onebourbon's signature for the answer to this question!!!

#5 19th September 2009, 8:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvinpe

Is it advisable to 3bet JJ? Why? When?

Most of the time, but as Hambone stated, it really depends on the situation.

Why? For value and to isolate because JJ doesn't like multi way pots.

When? Most of the time when your hand is ahead of villain's range which is almost always. Position is a plus. Against fish is a plus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theblueduce

I would do it but only heads up, was confident I knew my opponent, and and I had position on him. Otherwize...I am folding.

So you fold the 4th best hand in poker to a single raise? The least you could do is flat and play for set/overpair value.

#6 19th September 2009, 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grossberger

PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO Onebourbon's signature for the answer to this question!!!

LOL

#7 19th September 2009, 3:36 PM

I started a facebook group called I hate pocket jacks... Not many members yet though... lol

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/gr...gid=7497378809

I can never ever seem to play them right... The amount to times it seems that there is a 10 or 9 high flop and I go in against QQ KK or AA.. . its not funny anymore!

#8 20th September 2009, 1:18 AM

How about on blinds? Should I be 3betting pocket Js?

Anyway im playing cashgames 10NL.

#9 20th September 2009, 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvinpe

How about on blinds? Should I be 3betting pocket Js?

Anyway im playing cashgames 10NL.

Yes. You're oop postflop, playing JJ oop postflop is difficult. At micro, 3bet from the blinds pf and fold to a 4bet unless you have a specific read that villain will 4bet light (at micro, 4bet is virtually always KK+,AK).

#10 20th September 2009, 4:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvinpe

How about on blinds? Should I be 3betting pocket Js?

Anyway im playing cashgames 10NL.

Post specific hh with reads. As asked, it depends.

#11 21st September 2009, 1:15 PM

About 3-betting. Watch this video about what hands the pro's 3-bet with.

http://www.pokerstars.tv/movies/7S3/...nl-holdem.html

Perhaps a little bit off topic, but its a cool video IMO.

#12 23rd September 2009, 8:26 AM

I agree. Only 3bet it heads up. In any other situation I would flat call or make a good laydown. Jacks have cost me a lot of money.

#13 23rd September 2009, 9:53 AM

I 3 betted this JJ dont know if i played it wrong or just unlucky???

PokerStars Game #33155177224: Tournament #196489781, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (600/1200) - 2009/09/22 15:25:06 ET
Table '196489781 357' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kinghighaz (24289 in chips)
Seat 2: galopindepe (148373 in chips)
Seat 3: zois70 (60504 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: chorizete30 (21915 in chips)
Seat 5: kali-dima (70591 in chips)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (24645 in chips)
Seat 7: eknes1 (63386 in chips)
Seat 8: Hannes42 (17613 in chips)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 (23260 in chips)
kinghighaz: posts the ante 150
galopindepe: posts the ante 150
zois70: posts the ante 150
chorizete30: posts the ante 150
kali-dima: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts the ante 150
eknes1: posts the ante 150
Hannes42: posts the ante 150
Whatthe555: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts small blind 600
eknes1: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Whatthe555 [Jd Jh]
Hannes42: folds
Whatthe555: raises 2400 to 3600
kinghighaz: folds
galopindepe: folds
zois70: folds
chorizete30: folds
kali-dima: folds
plamenpoker: calls 3000
eknes1: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 7s]
plamenpoker: checks
eknes1: checks
Whatthe555: bets 19510 and is all-in
plamenpoker: calls 19510
eknes1: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 9s 7s] 3♥
*** RIVER *** [7h 9s 7s 3h] 5♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
plamenpoker: shows [7c As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Whatthe555: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
plamenpoker collected 51170 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 51170 | Rake 0
Board [7h 9s 7s 3h 5c]
Seat 1: kinghighaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: galopindepe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: zois70 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chorizete30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kali-dima (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (small blind) showed [7c As] and won (51170) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: eknes1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Hannes42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens

#14 23rd September 2009, 8:53 PM

Like all poker questions there is never a definitive answer. It depends on position, other players, chips stack sizes etc etc. You would need to be more specific with more info to get a meaningful answer.

#15 23rd September 2009, 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Flushee

I 3 betted this JJ dont know if i played it wrong or just unlucky???

PokerStars Game #33155177224: Tournament #196489781, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (600/1200) - 2009/09/22 15:25:06 ET
Table '196489781 357' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kinghighaz (24289 in chips)
Seat 2: galopindepe (148373 in chips)
Seat 3: zois70 (60504 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: chorizete30 (21915 in chips)
Seat 5: kali-dima (70591 in chips)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (24645 in chips)
Seat 7: eknes1 (63386 in chips)
Seat 8: Hannes42 (17613 in chips)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 (23260 in chips)
kinghighaz: posts the ante 150
galopindepe: posts the ante 150
zois70: posts the ante 150
chorizete30: posts the ante 150
kali-dima: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts the ante 150
eknes1: posts the ante 150
Hannes42: posts the ante 150
Whatthe555: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts small blind 600
eknes1: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Whatthe555 [Jd Jh]
Hannes42: folds
Whatthe555: raises 2400 to 3600
kinghighaz: folds
galopindepe: folds
zois70: folds
chorizete30: folds
kali-dima: folds
plamenpoker: calls 3000
eknes1: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 7s]
plamenpoker: checks
eknes1: checks
Whatthe555: bets 19510 and is all-in
plamenpoker: calls 19510
eknes1: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 9s 7s] <font color='red'>3♥</font>
*** RIVER *** [7h 9s 7s 3h] <font color='black'>5♣</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
plamenpoker: shows [7c As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Whatthe555: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
plamenpoker collected 51170 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 51170 | Rake 0
Board [7h 9s 7s 3h 5c]
Seat 1: kinghighaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: galopindepe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: zois70 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chorizete30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kali-dima (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (small blind) showed [7c As] and won (51170) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: eknes1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Hannes42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens

not unlucky, just played with an idiot.

#16 25th September 2009, 7:04 PM

hope this helps

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/how-play-jj-152083/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/how-play-jj-152083/)

#17 25th September 2009, 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Flushee

I 3 betted this JJ dont know if i played it wrong or just unlucky???

PokerStars Game #33155177224: Tournament #196489781, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (600/1200) - 2009/09/22 15:25:06 ET
Table '196489781 357' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kinghighaz (24289 in chips)
Seat 2: galopindepe (148373 in chips)
Seat 3: zois70 (60504 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: chorizete30 (21915 in chips)
Seat 5: kali-dima (70591 in chips)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (24645 in chips)
Seat 7: eknes1 (63386 in chips)
Seat 8: Hannes42 (17613 in chips)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 (23260 in chips)
kinghighaz: posts the ante 150
galopindepe: posts the ante 150
zois70: posts the ante 150
chorizete30: posts the ante 150
kali-dima: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts the ante 150
eknes1: posts the ante 150
Hannes42: posts the ante 150
Whatthe555: posts the ante 150
plamenpoker: posts small blind 600
eknes1: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Whatthe555 [Jd Jh]
Hannes42: folds
Whatthe555: raises 2400 to 3600
kinghighaz: folds
galopindepe: folds
zois70: folds
chorizete30: folds
kali-dima: folds
plamenpoker: calls 3000
eknes1: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 7s]
plamenpoker: checks
eknes1: checks
Whatthe555: bets 19510 and is all-in
plamenpoker: calls 19510
eknes1: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 9s 7s] 3♥
*** RIVER *** [7h 9s 7s 3h] 5♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
plamenpoker: shows [7c As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Whatthe555: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
plamenpoker collected 51170 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 51170 | Rake 0
Board [7h 9s 7s 3h 5c]
Seat 1: kinghighaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: galopindepe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: zois70 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chorizete30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kali-dima (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: plamenpoker (small blind) showed [7c As] and won (51170) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: eknes1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Hannes42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Whatthe555 showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens

Super standard.

#18 5th October 2009, 2:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmak

I started a facebook group called I hate pocket jacks... Not many members yet though... lol

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/gr...gid=7497378809

I can never ever seem to play them right... The amount to times it seems that there is a 10 or 9 high flop and I go in against QQ KK or AA.. . its not funny anymore!

I always get killed by JJ too! I usually just call and see what happens on the flop. If I am sb, i'd prob push against the bb also. Most of the time though, I end up folding them.

#19 16th October 2009, 12:40 AM

In position it is a good hand to try to exploit the situation. Easy to get in trouble and fast. Just my 2 cents.

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